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You're preaching to the choir, I think the athletes should get a share of the pie as well. Preferably, in fact, these unquestionably professional athletes woul

You're preaching to the choir, I think the athletes should get a share of the pie as well. Preferably, in fact, these unquestionably professional athletes would stop pretending to be students at all, with some sort of hybrid university-sports structure. (keeping in mind that this graph uses the top 150 college coaches; schools like Yale and Stanford unquestionably have true student athletes)

eru 18y ago
Why intermingle sports and academia at all?
- wjy 18y ago
  Excellent question. The very best universities don't intermingle them... MIT, Caltech, Stanford come to mind. I know MIT has lots of intramural sports, where the focus is on healthy recreation for students. But they don't have ANY NCAA-style teams.
  - llimllib 18y ago
    but they all have teams, and some of Stanford's are very good, such as their basketball team.
    - waldrews 18y ago
      Umm... Caltech sports teams? There's a whole movie, Quantum Hoops, about how we historically never won any game.
      - llimllib 18y ago
        ermmm... yeah I meant stanford's teams are often very good. Edited to make sense.
  - arockwell 18y ago
    This is just not true. MIT competes in Division III and has 41 varsity teams according to wikipedia. I'm not sure if they give out any athletic scholarships.
    - tesseract 18y ago
      You can't give athletic scholarships in D3. MIT has one D1 sport, rowing. I'm not sure whether they give athletic scholarships for it, but without bothering to check, I suspect not.
  - menloparkbum 18y ago
    Stanford has one of the country's biggest and most successful NCAA Division 1 athletics programs. "Stanford has won the NACDA Director's Cup for Division I, awarded annually to the college or university with the most success in collegiate athletics, for 14 consecutive years (1994-95 to 2007-08)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Cardinal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Cardinal
  - blang 18y ago
    I'm not really sure as to what you mean by NCAA-style teams. Stanford is actually the school that the sports world points to as the shinning example of excellence in sports not interfering with excellence in academics. In fact last year Stanford Basketball went to the sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament. Before his career as pro-quarterback John Elway was a Stanford student-athlete. Furthermore every university in the academically vaulted Ivy league is also a member of the NCAA Division I.
    - gabbro 18y ago
      Tell you what, though: when I chose between Stanford with its athletic program and Caltech with its lack thereof, I considered the athletics a knock against Stanford. I ultimately chose Stanford, but despite the athletics, not because of them. Some people just don't care about sports.
- llimllib 18y ago
  I think when discussing this it's important to get the image of the average student-athlete correct: the vast majority of student-athletes will never play pro sports, are often good students, and do it in their free time for pleasure, fitness, and love of competition. I think that this is a valuable tradition which should be maintained. The problem is that high-level college football and college basketball, in particular, have grown from amateur sports into de facto professional leagues, with athletes who are grossly underpaid relative to the revenue gathered by the sport they play. I'm in favor of separating de facto professional sports away from the truly amateur sports, but I think there's value in having amateur sports. (bias alert: I'm an amateur athlete who spends a lot of his time and money playing sports, and coaches a club ultimate team.)

eru 18y ago

Why intermingle sports and academia at all?

wjy 18y ago
Excellent question. The very best universities don't intermingle them... MIT, Caltech, Stanford come to mind. I know MIT has lots of intramural sports, where the focus is on healthy recreation for students. But they don't have ANY NCAA-style teams.
- llimllib 18y ago
  but they all have teams, and some of Stanford's are very good, such as their basketball team.
  - waldrews 18y ago
    Umm... Caltech sports teams? There's a whole movie, Quantum Hoops, about how we historically never won any game.
    - llimllib 18y ago
      ermmm... yeah I meant stanford's teams are often very good. Edited to make sense.
- arockwell 18y ago
  This is just not true. MIT competes in Division III and has 41 varsity teams according to wikipedia. I'm not sure if they give out any athletic scholarships.
  - tesseract 18y ago
    You can't give athletic scholarships in D3. MIT has one D1 sport, rowing. I'm not sure whether they give athletic scholarships for it, but without bothering to check, I suspect not.
- menloparkbum 18y ago
  Stanford has one of the country's biggest and most successful NCAA Division 1 athletics programs. "Stanford has won the NACDA Director's Cup for Division I, awarded annually to the college or university with the most success in collegiate athletics, for 14 consecutive years (1994-95 to 2007-08)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Cardinal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Cardinal
- blang 18y ago
  I'm not really sure as to what you mean by NCAA-style teams. Stanford is actually the school that the sports world points to as the shinning example of excellence in sports not interfering with excellence in academics. In fact last year Stanford Basketball went to the sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament. Before his career as pro-quarterback John Elway was a Stanford student-athlete. Furthermore every university in the academically vaulted Ivy league is also a member of the NCAA Division I.
  - gabbro 18y ago
    Tell you what, though: when I chose between Stanford with its athletic program and Caltech with its lack thereof, I considered the athletics a knock against Stanford. I ultimately chose Stanford, but despite the athletics, not because of them. Some people just don't care about sports.
llimllib 18y ago
I think when discussing this it's important to get the image of the average student-athlete correct: the vast majority of student-athletes will never play pro sports, are often good students, and do it in their free time for pleasure, fitness, and love of competition. I think that this is a valuable tradition which should be maintained. The problem is that high-level college football and college basketball, in particular, have grown from amateur sports into de facto professional leagues, with athletes who are grossly underpaid relative to the revenue gathered by the sport they play. I'm in favor of separating de facto professional sports away from the truly amateur sports, but I think there's value in having amateur sports. (bias alert: I'm an amateur athlete who spends a lot of his time and money playing sports, and coaches a club ultimate team.)