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I have a dual monitor setup, with one 1440 and a ultra wide 2560x1080, and I don't have any issues with X11. It just works out of box. Something that I can't s

I have a dual monitor setup, with one 1440 and a ultra wide 2560x1080, and I don't have any issues with X11. It just works out of box. Something that I can't say of Wayland crashing every time that I try it.

gavinsyancey 4y ago
I think what's really meant here is different pixel densities -- e.g. a high-dpi laptop screen and a low-resolution external monitor. I'm not sure exactly how Wayland handles this, but X doesn't do a very good job.
- mijoharas 4y ago
  Correct, I should have said a mixture of HighDPI screens, and non high-dpi screens rather than mentioning resolution. Thanks for the clarification. What I used to have on X was one model with 2x the pixel density as another. You either have things being tiny on one, and massive on the other or vice versa. What I did for a while was configure everything to be halfway between them so everything would be just _slightly_ off on both, but it was kind of horrible (and made the fonts look terrible).
horsawlarway 4y ago
The crashing is almost certainly a "you" issue. Different scaling ratios in X11 do not work - period. You can define different ratios per monitor, but application windows will take the scale of the monitor they open on and never change. Most distros are now on Wayland by default for a reason. Gnome support is excellent. Sway support is excellent. KDE support is... not as excellent, but still pretty good at this point. Ubuntu 21.04+ is on Wayland by default. Fedora 35+ is running Wayland by default (minus KDE, where they default to x11 still, but ship a plasma-wayland session). OpenSUSE Leap 15+ is running Wayland by default. Debian Buster+ is running Wayland by default. Garuda is running Wayland by default. Manjaro Sway & Gnome are Wayland by default (again KDE is not - but the plasma-wayland session is included). Basically - Wayland is not "the future" anymore. It's the "Right fucking now" across basically every major distro. Even KDE based distros are discussing moving to plasma-wayland by default at this point, since it's improved a lot in the last two years.
- kilolima 4y ago
  Can it do X forwarding yet?
  - mijoharas 4y ago
    It's... not X... why would it do X forwarding? that's like criticising windows for not doing X forwarding (there's enough stuff to criticise windows about as it is, there's no need to add imaginary things to it).
  - horsawlarway 4y ago
    No - it's not X, it's doesn't share a screen in the way X does. That said... if this is a shoddy attempt at a "gotcha" style question - Screen sharing and remote desktop are both supported. Ex - for Gnome: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop LibVNCServer for VNC support, FreeRDP for remote desktop protocol. For KDE: https://userbase.kde.org/Krfb https://userbase.kde.org/Krfb Which mostly just works as long as you have Pipewire and xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed (the base plasma-wayland session usually includes them) This one is a bit less polished - some users still have problems with keyboard input, depending on the distro and other installed packages. For Sway: xdg-desktop-portal-wlr works just fine for screen sharing, and you can use https://github.com/any1/wayvnc https://github.com/any1/wayvnc for VNC access (including having a completely headless machine).

gavinsyancey 4y ago

I think what's really meant here is different pixel densities -- e.g. a high-dpi laptop screen and a low-resolution external monitor. I'm not sure exactly how Wayland handles this, but X doesn't do a very good job.

mijoharas 4y ago
Correct, I should have said a mixture of HighDPI screens, and non high-dpi screens rather than mentioning resolution. Thanks for the clarification. What I used to have on X was one model with 2x the pixel density as another. You either have things being tiny on one, and massive on the other or vice versa. What I did for a while was configure everything to be halfway between them so everything would be just _slightly_ off on both, but it was kind of horrible (and made the fonts look terrible).

horsawlarway 4y ago

The crashing is almost certainly a "you" issue. Different scaling ratios in X11 do not work - period. You can define different ratios per monitor, but application windows will take the scale of the monitor they open on and never change. Most distros are now on Wayland by default for a reason. Gnome support is excellent. Sway support is excellent. KDE support is... not as excellent, but still pretty good at this point. Ubuntu 21.04+ is on Wayland by default. Fedora 35+ is running Wayland by default (minus KDE, where they default to x11 still, but ship a plasma-wayland session). OpenSUSE Leap 15+ is running Wayland by default. Debian Buster+ is running Wayland by default. Garuda is running Wayland by default. Manjaro Sway & Gnome are Wayland by default (again KDE is not - but the plasma-wayland session is included). Basically - Wayland is not "the future" anymore. It's the "Right fucking now" across basically every major distro. Even KDE based distros are discussing moving to plasma-wayland by default at this point, since it's improved a lot in the last two years.

kilolima 4y ago
Can it do X forwarding yet?
- mijoharas 4y ago
  It's... not X... why would it do X forwarding? that's like criticising windows for not doing X forwarding (there's enough stuff to criticise windows about as it is, there's no need to add imaginary things to it).
- horsawlarway 4y ago
  No - it's not X, it's doesn't share a screen in the way X does. That said... if this is a shoddy attempt at a "gotcha" style question - Screen sharing and remote desktop are both supported. Ex - for Gnome: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop LibVNCServer for VNC support, FreeRDP for remote desktop protocol. For KDE: https://userbase.kde.org/Krfb https://userbase.kde.org/Krfb Which mostly just works as long as you have Pipewire and xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed (the base plasma-wayland session usually includes them) This one is a bit less polished - some users still have problems with keyboard input, depending on the distro and other installed packages. For Sway: xdg-desktop-portal-wlr works just fine for screen sharing, and you can use https://github.com/any1/wayvnc https://github.com/any1/wayvnc for VNC access (including having a completely headless machine).