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That doesn't seem paranoid to you at all?

by asow92 4y ago

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trs8080 4y ago
Being concerned about a pattern of behavior is paranoia now?
- asow92 4y ago
  By that same logic, should we be profiling criminals? Or is that problematic?
  - trs8080 4y ago
    If "we" is you, go ahead! You're free to judge whomever you want. This is a fairly simple issue - a community of people who are pro-privacy and anti-surveillance have concerns about a former surveillance officer working for an organization which creates small, portable, popular computing devices. If you haven't heard about law enforcement abuses of surveillance, here are some helpful links: https://theintercept.com/2019/10/10/fbi-nsa-mass-surveillance-abuse/ https://theintercept.com/2019/10/10/fbi-nsa-mass-surveillanc... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/police-are-still-abusing-investigative-exemptions-shield-surveillance-tech-while-0 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/police-are-still-abusi... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-12-27/when-police-abuse-surveillance-cameras https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-12-27/when-poli...
    - asow92 4y ago
      I agree to disagree with this community of 11 users. May they find solace in each other.
seba_dos1 4y ago
It can either feel paranoid or like common sense depending on place in the world in question.
- asow92 4y ago
  In the West I would say it feels paranoid, but in certain east Asian or Middle-eastern countries (that will remain nameless) I wouldn't ask questions in the first place. Thankfully I'm in the former.
  - seba_dos1 4y ago
    There are still some places in the general West where law enforcement's reputation isn't completely ruined yet, but it certainly isn't a rule.
    - asow92 4y ago
      Right, it's not perfect, but I know where I'd rather be.
  - Kye 4y ago
    You sound like you're not part of any marginalized, surveilled, or abused communities. Police in some places still arrest people for violating state level sodomy laws even though the SCOTUS ruling nullified them. No, this is still very much a problem here in the West.
    - asow92 4y ago
      That's obviously not good and we should speak up when these things happen because that sounds unlawful. The point is that we have the freedom here to stand up and say that, and in other countries you wouldn't even have that much. It could be a lot worse.

That doesn't seem paranoid to you at all?

by asow92 4y ago

That doesn't seem paranoid to you at all?

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trs8080 4y ago

Being concerned about a pattern of behavior is paranoia now?

asow92 4y ago
By that same logic, should we be profiling criminals? Or is that problematic?
- trs8080 4y ago
  If "we" is you, go ahead! You're free to judge whomever you want. This is a fairly simple issue - a community of people who are pro-privacy and anti-surveillance have concerns about a former surveillance officer working for an organization which creates small, portable, popular computing devices. If you haven't heard about law enforcement abuses of surveillance, here are some helpful links: https://theintercept.com/2019/10/10/fbi-nsa-mass-surveillance-abuse/ https://theintercept.com/2019/10/10/fbi-nsa-mass-surveillanc... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/police-are-still-abusing-investigative-exemptions-shield-surveillance-tech-while-0 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/police-are-still-abusi... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-12-27/when-police-abuse-surveillance-cameras https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-12-27/when-poli...
  - asow92 4y ago
    I agree to disagree with this community of 11 users. May they find solace in each other.

seba_dos1 4y ago

It can either feel paranoid or like common sense depending on place in the world in question.

asow92 4y ago
In the West I would say it feels paranoid, but in certain east Asian or Middle-eastern countries (that will remain nameless) I wouldn't ask questions in the first place. Thankfully I'm in the former.
- seba_dos1 4y ago
  There are still some places in the general West where law enforcement's reputation isn't completely ruined yet, but it certainly isn't a rule.
  - asow92 4y ago
    Right, it's not perfect, but I know where I'd rather be.
- Kye 4y ago
  You sound like you're not part of any marginalized, surveilled, or abused communities. Police in some places still arrest people for violating state level sodomy laws even though the SCOTUS ruling nullified them. No, this is still very much a problem here in the West.
  - asow92 4y ago
    That's obviously not good and we should speak up when these things happen because that sounds unlawful. The point is that we have the freedom here to stand up and say that, and in other countries you wouldn't even have that much. It could be a lot worse.