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Whitening the skin and features of important figures in history is a habit of western civilization. Im never surprised when I see the deception continue in west

Whitening the skin and features of important figures in history is a habit of western civilization. Im never surprised when I see the deception continue in western academia. Those African shaped noses didnt break themselves. The recently discovered Egyptian statues and other art that survived for thousands of years submerged in the Mediterranean Sea with African facial features unscathed prove that there is an agenda that continues.

Avicebron 4y ago
Or maybe it's not a deception and your bias is showing? We're stuck with the history, not a made up one we want to believe.
- ashwagary 4y ago
  If it quacks like a duck... I would be more skeptical of the deception idea if it was isolated and had no precedent. This Euro style global scale racism and forcefed history revision through colonization isn't a component of other major civilizations. My statement is not controversial. I would expect 7 billion people from diverse backgrounds agree and the billion or so beneficiaries in an echo chamber disagree.
  - frostburg 4y ago
    This would be somewhat more convincing if there wasn't a whole rabbit hole of "black Egypt" pseudohistory (with and without ancient aliens) - before you complain, this doesn't mean that people with dark skin weren't involved in the extremely long history of that civilization.
    - ashwagary 4y ago
      The absurd alien narrative is a minor fringe belief at best and has no factual basis. The history of Europeans making false self serving claims across the spectrum of knowledge on the other hands has centuries long established fact and easily proven evidence backing it.
imbnwa 4y ago
From the article: "People depicted in the portraits were upper-class, say curators." They are literally pointing out that these are portraits of aristocrats, whom it is very well-known would likely be of non-Egyptian, if not mixed, origin at the time they were buried. No one is making a claim that this is what the average Egyptian looked like in the article. Now if you still think its appropriate to argue that modern Egyptians represent a population replacement demographic, well, you're free to I guess, but I'd wager there weren't enough conquerors to replace the entire or even the majority of the population. Also, Copts and Amazighe are also African, so "African shaped noses" is sorta weird to say, never mind the prominence of similarly shaped noses to Copts and Amazighe in Ethiopians and adjacent populations in the Horn of Africa. I know "what you mean" but what I mean is that we sorta eliminate a whole lotta physical and cultural differences when we talk about some essential unity of Africa lying in looking some particular way.
ROTMetro 4y ago
The first female pharaoh was described in contemporary texts as being blonde. There are blonde mummies and archeologists tried to pass them off as having had their hair 'lightened' but that has recently been shown to be completely made up and that they are natural blondes. What bias does it show that a false narrative of 'lightening hair' was wholly made up? Not the one you are trying to push.
- ashwagary 4y ago
  >The first female pharaoh was described in contemporary texts as being blonde. Never heard this claim, but it's a weak argument to rest on if we believe it to be true. Naturally blonde and red haired black people arent that uncommon. Furthermore, if we are being honest, every genetic trait on this planet is represented in a subset of the African population. Every variation of hair color, eye color, skin color, eye lid, etc...naturally occur among the population.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Naturally blonde black people arent that uncommon. Yes, they are, which is why every reference to “naturally blonde black people” focusses on one group—Melanesians of the Solomon Islands—as the emblrmatic group, of whom about 5-10% are naturally blonde, which would be an incredibly tiny share of the overall Black population, if they were racially Black in the first place, rather than dark skinned Pacific Islanders.
    - ashwagary 4y ago
      These traits including naturally gray and white hair are recessive but they exist in the black African population, literally millions in number. People just rarely talk about or catalogue them outside of the African continent. Black subsaharan African parents give birth to children with every variety of these traits with regular frequency, this has been true for atleast all of Africa's recorded history.
      - dragonwriter 4y ago

Avicebron 4y ago

Or maybe it's not a deception and your bias is showing? We're stuck with the history, not a made up one we want to believe.

ashwagary 4y ago
If it quacks like a duck... I would be more skeptical of the deception idea if it was isolated and had no precedent. This Euro style global scale racism and forcefed history revision through colonization isn't a component of other major civilizations. My statement is not controversial. I would expect 7 billion people from diverse backgrounds agree and the billion or so beneficiaries in an echo chamber disagree.
- frostburg 4y ago
  This would be somewhat more convincing if there wasn't a whole rabbit hole of "black Egypt" pseudohistory (with and without ancient aliens) - before you complain, this doesn't mean that people with dark skin weren't involved in the extremely long history of that civilization.
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    The absurd alien narrative is a minor fringe belief at best and has no factual basis. The history of Europeans making false self serving claims across the spectrum of knowledge on the other hands has centuries long established fact and easily proven evidence backing it.

imbnwa 4y ago

From the article: "People depicted in the portraits were upper-class, say curators." They are literally pointing out that these are portraits of aristocrats, whom it is very well-known would likely be of non-Egyptian, if not mixed, origin at the time they were buried. No one is making a claim that this is what the average Egyptian looked like in the article. Now if you still think its appropriate to argue that modern Egyptians represent a population replacement demographic, well, you're free to I guess, but I'd wager there weren't enough conquerors to replace the entire or even the majority of the population. Also, Copts and Amazighe are also African, so "African shaped noses" is sorta weird to say, never mind the prominence of similarly shaped noses to Copts and Amazighe in Ethiopians and adjacent populations in the Horn of Africa. I know "what you mean" but what I mean is that we sorta eliminate a whole lotta physical and cultural differences when we talk about some essential unity of Africa lying in looking some particular way.

ROTMetro 4y ago

The first female pharaoh was described in contemporary texts as being blonde. There are blonde mummies and archeologists tried to pass them off as having had their hair 'lightened' but that has recently been shown to be completely made up and that they are natural blondes. What bias does it show that a false narrative of 'lightening hair' was wholly made up? Not the one you are trying to push.

ashwagary 4y ago
>The first female pharaoh was described in contemporary texts as being blonde. Never heard this claim, but it's a weak argument to rest on if we believe it to be true. Naturally blonde and red haired black people arent that uncommon. Furthermore, if we are being honest, every genetic trait on this planet is represented in a subset of the African population. Every variation of hair color, eye color, skin color, eye lid, etc...naturally occur among the population.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Naturally blonde black people arent that uncommon. Yes, they are, which is why every reference to “naturally blonde black people” focusses on one group—Melanesians of the Solomon Islands—as the emblrmatic group, of whom about 5-10% are naturally blonde, which would be an incredibly tiny share of the overall Black population, if they were racially Black in the first place, rather than dark skinned Pacific Islanders.
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    These traits including naturally gray and white hair are recessive but they exist in the black African population, literally millions in number. People just rarely talk about or catalogue them outside of the African continent. Black subsaharan African parents give birth to children with every variety of these traits with regular frequency, this has been true for atleast all of Africa's recorded history.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago