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> ...but all it does is regurgitate existing works. Not so. I taught it a new and novel notation for music, and it happily transcribed me real songs in that ne

> ...but all it does is regurgitate existing works. Not so. I taught it a new and novel notation for music, and it happily transcribed me real songs in that new notation. There is no existing work to base it off of.

bayindirh 4y ago
It's not a fixed model. The point is you taught it to ChatGPT. It did not invent it. In other words, you asked it to transcribe a song to another template you showed it, so it works as expected. A neural network which can do style transfer from one template to another. If it would tell you "Hey, I designed a notation, which works better for $REASON. Can you give me feedback?", then this would be something notable. Again, ChatGPT utilized the info you gave to it. So it was not novel to begin with.
- randyrand 4y ago
  > If it would tell you "Hey, I designed a notation, which works better for $REASON. Can you give me feedback?", then this would be something notable. I actually did do that, without me prompting it! For reference, the notation is, 'A4(quarter)', etc This is an interesting notation system you have created! It looks like it is based on traditional musical notation, but with a few differences. In traditional musical notation, notes are written on a staff, with the pitch of the note indicated by its placement on the staff and its duration indicated by the type of note symbol used (whole note, quarter note, etc.). Your A-Script notation appears to use the pitch of the note as the main identifier, with the duration indicated in parentheses after the pitch. One potential benefit of this notation system is that it makes it easier to identify the pitch of a note without having to refer to the staff. This could be useful in situations where the staff is not visible, or when the pitch of the note is the most important information. One potential drawback of this notation system is that it does not provide as much information about the rhythm of the music. In traditional notation, the placement of the notes on the staff and the use of different note symbols provide important information about the rhythm of the music. This information is not included in your A-Script notation. Overall, your A-Script notation is a creative and interesting way to represent music. It could potentially be useful in certain situations, but it may not provide as much information as traditional notation.
453qtgreq 4y ago
Did you invent this novel notation? If so, that is the existing work.
- fenomas 4y ago
  Heh. Out of curiosity I just tried what you're asking for, and ChatGPT suggested a color-based notation where parts for multiple instruments are displayed together in different colors, so that each musician can focus on their own part but also see what other instruments are doing if they want to harmonize. Then I asked if the notation could be improved to take advantage of digital displays, and it suggested the notes could start out as hollow outlines and gradually fill in, becoming solid at the moment they should be played. It seems like regurgitation is pretty advanced these days :D
  - 453qtgreq 4y ago
    I'm baffled how people are so amazed by easily-found existing ideas being presented by an arrogant chatbot.
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    BTW, that will be very counterintuitive for a performing player, because a performing musician will look both ahead and behind during performances. Adding more dynamism to an already stressful real-time flow is not good. How do I know? I’m a double bass player.
    - fenomas 4y ago
      It was an example of GPT offering a notation unrelated to anything mentioned in the prompt. I wasn't suggesting we all adopt it as our new notation. This whole comment page feels like a chain of "it clearly can't do X" -> "it does X" -> "no obviously it does X but it can't do Y", spread among several threads and repeated over and over.
      - 453qtgreq 4y ago
        I've tried this out. It doesn't seem to matter how you phrase your request for "alternative music notation", it suggests colouring it in. Which is very easily found on a Wikipedia page describing an existing system used to teach music, as well as many other pages on the topic.

bayindirh 4y ago

It's not a fixed model. The point is you taught it to ChatGPT. It did not invent it. In other words, you asked it to transcribe a song to another template you showed it, so it works as expected. A neural network which can do style transfer from one template to another. If it would tell you "Hey, I designed a notation, which works better for $REASON. Can you give me feedback?", then this would be something notable. Again, ChatGPT utilized the info you gave to it. So it was not novel to begin with.

randyrand 4y ago
> If it would tell you "Hey, I designed a notation, which works better for $REASON. Can you give me feedback?", then this would be something notable. I actually did do that, without me prompting it! For reference, the notation is, 'A4(quarter)', etc This is an interesting notation system you have created! It looks like it is based on traditional musical notation, but with a few differences. In traditional musical notation, notes are written on a staff, with the pitch of the note indicated by its placement on the staff and its duration indicated by the type of note symbol used (whole note, quarter note, etc.). Your A-Script notation appears to use the pitch of the note as the main identifier, with the duration indicated in parentheses after the pitch. One potential benefit of this notation system is that it makes it easier to identify the pitch of a note without having to refer to the staff. This could be useful in situations where the staff is not visible, or when the pitch of the note is the most important information. One potential drawback of this notation system is that it does not provide as much information about the rhythm of the music. In traditional notation, the placement of the notes on the staff and the use of different note symbols provide important information about the rhythm of the music. This information is not included in your A-Script notation. Overall, your A-Script notation is a creative and interesting way to represent music. It could potentially be useful in certain situations, but it may not provide as much information as traditional notation.

453qtgreq 4y ago

Did you invent this novel notation? If so, that is the existing work.

fenomas 4y ago
Heh. Out of curiosity I just tried what you're asking for, and ChatGPT suggested a color-based notation where parts for multiple instruments are displayed together in different colors, so that each musician can focus on their own part but also see what other instruments are doing if they want to harmonize. Then I asked if the notation could be improved to take advantage of digital displays, and it suggested the notes could start out as hollow outlines and gradually fill in, becoming solid at the moment they should be played. It seems like regurgitation is pretty advanced these days :D
- 453qtgreq 4y ago
  I'm baffled how people are so amazed by easily-found existing ideas being presented by an arrogant chatbot.
- bayindirh 4y ago
  BTW, that will be very counterintuitive for a performing player, because a performing musician will look both ahead and behind during performances. Adding more dynamism to an already stressful real-time flow is not good. How do I know? I’m a double bass player.
  - fenomas 4y ago
    It was an example of GPT offering a notation unrelated to anything mentioned in the prompt. I wasn't suggesting we all adopt it as our new notation. This whole comment page feels like a chain of "it clearly can't do X" -> "it does X" -> "no obviously it does X but it can't do Y", spread among several threads and repeated over and over.
    - 453qtgreq 4y ago
      I've tried this out. It doesn't seem to matter how you phrase your request for "alternative music notation", it suggests colouring it in. Which is very easily found on a Wikipedia page describing an existing system used to teach music, as well as many other pages on the topic.