4 ms·

I've had Minecraft since before the pre-alpha days. I think I had a pirated copy of Alpha late in 2010 and some time in 2011 or shortly thereafter I actually bo

by beAbU 4y ago

I've had Minecraft since before the pre-alpha days. I think I had a pirated copy of Alpha late in 2010 and some time in 2011 or shortly thereafter I actually bought the game. I might have easily sunk 1000s of hours into this game. I think I played the ending only once, in Creative Mode, to see what the fuss was about. I never cared for the ending, because to me Minecraft never had an ending. We had a Survival server in our university computer science lab and we mostly played on there, just hanging out and building cool stuff. Reading TFA, I feel like the author is gaslighting me into feeling guilty because he did not manage to cash out big time like the rest? He amplifies his contribution making it sound like this big thing when it's not really a big thing. Other than the ending, I don't recall there being any other story in MC? What purpose does a poetic ending have if the journey up until that point has no real impact? The ending of Portal 1 is significantly more poetic in my eyes, and it's left a lasting impression on me that makes me sad when I realize that I can't share it with anyone else. Going on and on about how much the game was sold for, how nice Notch's new house is, how Notch made so much money that he could just hand it out to his team, how the author thought they were all friends reads to me like someone who is very bitter and jealous. Writing more than 12k words to bring is point across does not help. Then claiming loudly that he's made peace with the universe and his lot after a magic mushroom trip in the middle of the forest just kind of puts the cherry on top for me. He comes across as an insufferable "artist" and maybe that's why he was pushed out/excluded like this.

jrochkind1 4y ago
What do you mean by "gaslighting" there? I understand "gaslighting" as "manipulating someone so as to make them question their own reality." Is that what you mean, or something else?
- beAbU 4y ago
  I might be using the term incorrectly, I realize that. The author's behaviour is that of the spouse that's "totally not mad, honey" but you still feel uneasy afterwards. I'm not sure what term to use to describe this behaviour. English is not my native language.
  - jrochkind1 4y ago
    I bring it up because people using "gaslighting" in a very non-specific uncareful way is a concern of mine generally. I think people (native speakers included for sure) often don't really understand what they mean, sometimes really just mean people disagreeing, but still wanting the original meaning of "gaslighting" to suggest to the listener a form of abuse. But of course disagreeing alone is not a form of abuse. But ok, ignoring the actual word... I'm still not sure I understand what you mean. You think the author wants you to feel guilty because he did not manage to cash out, yes? (I'm not sure what this has to do with a spouse saying "totally not mad honey", but let's leave that aside too). I'm not sure I agree that's what the author is trying to do,and am curious what parts of the text made you think the author was trying to make you (readers in general?) feel guilty. But okay , to move on, let's say he might have been. And you do not think you should feel guilty? OK, fair enough. And you think... by trying to make you feel guilty, or by the manner he used to try to make you feel guilty, he is in some way tricking or manipulating you, the readers, in an unethical way? Am I on the right track?
Laaas 4y ago
I am stunned this is on HN. He got _20k EUR_ for a (not fantastic) poem he quite likely didn't use more than 160 hours of work on. He played the game with his daughter for a while and then wrote this according to the article itself! How could you possibly demand more than 20k? How could he even believe he has _any_ legal case when he took the money, gave Mojang/Notch a license verbally (especially given he took the money), even if Microsoft bought Mojang? The entire article is just egoistic/greedy nonsense.
- sbst32 4y ago
  I am stunned (pardon my sarcasm) that you're implying he demands something. The whole point of his long story was to say that he did not want to demand anything (even though he clearly had his opportunities). You're reading it wrong if you see "greedy" there. And regarding "stunned this is on HN" - clearly this content is quite interesting/relevant to the HN audience as you can see by the number of comments.
  - beAbU 4y ago
    Who spends 12k words to say "I'm not asking for anything"? This is clearly passive aggressive gaslighting behaviour: "I'm really not mad or upset that I only got 20k. Really you guys. I see Notch in his nice house, how he doled out piles of cash to everyone and skipped me and it's fine because I'm happy for them. Really! I thought we were friends and clearly we are not but thats fine because I took some shrooms and now I'm at peace literally made of love. I gave them a priceless gift and it makes my heart happy to know that I contributed to this $2.5B project, even though I only got 20k out of it." I attempt an abbreviated post, that might have been better received by everyone: "I wrote the ending poem for Minecraft. I believe it was not part of Microsoft's acquisition due to some contractual fun and games. I'm really proud of my work, and I want to share it those that did not get to experience the end of the game. Here you go, and please enjoy." FTFY
    - sbst32 4y ago
      This is his way of storytelling. This is his introspection. The poem in question was also long - too long for some people but it worked for others.

by beAbU 4y ago

jrochkind1 4y ago

What do you mean by "gaslighting" there? I understand "gaslighting" as "manipulating someone so as to make them question their own reality." Is that what you mean, or something else?

beAbU 4y ago
I might be using the term incorrectly, I realize that. The author's behaviour is that of the spouse that's "totally not mad, honey" but you still feel uneasy afterwards. I'm not sure what term to use to describe this behaviour. English is not my native language.
- jrochkind1 4y ago
  I bring it up because people using "gaslighting" in a very non-specific uncareful way is a concern of mine generally. I think people (native speakers included for sure) often don't really understand what they mean, sometimes really just mean people disagreeing, but still wanting the original meaning of "gaslighting" to suggest to the listener a form of abuse. But of course disagreeing alone is not a form of abuse. But ok, ignoring the actual word... I'm still not sure I understand what you mean. You think the author wants you to feel guilty because he did not manage to cash out, yes? (I'm not sure what this has to do with a spouse saying "totally not mad honey", but let's leave that aside too). I'm not sure I agree that's what the author is trying to do,and am curious what parts of the text made you think the author was trying to make you (readers in general?) feel guilty. But okay , to move on, let's say he might have been. And you do not think you should feel guilty? OK, fair enough. And you think... by trying to make you feel guilty, or by the manner he used to try to make you feel guilty, he is in some way tricking or manipulating you, the readers, in an unethical way? Am I on the right track?

Laaas 4y ago

I am stunned this is on HN. He got _20k EUR_ for a (not fantastic) poem he quite likely didn't use more than 160 hours of work on. He played the game with his daughter for a while and then wrote this according to the article itself! How could you possibly demand more than 20k? How could he even believe he has _any_ legal case when he took the money, gave Mojang/Notch a license verbally (especially given he took the money), even if Microsoft bought Mojang? The entire article is just egoistic/greedy nonsense.

sbst32 4y ago
I am stunned (pardon my sarcasm) that you're implying he demands something. The whole point of his long story was to say that he did not want to demand anything (even though he clearly had his opportunities). You're reading it wrong if you see "greedy" there. And regarding "stunned this is on HN" - clearly this content is quite interesting/relevant to the HN audience as you can see by the number of comments.
- beAbU 4y ago
  Who spends 12k words to say "I'm not asking for anything"? This is clearly passive aggressive gaslighting behaviour: "I'm really not mad or upset that I only got 20k. Really you guys. I see Notch in his nice house, how he doled out piles of cash to everyone and skipped me and it's fine because I'm happy for them. Really! I thought we were friends and clearly we are not but thats fine because I took some shrooms and now I'm at peace literally made of love. I gave them a priceless gift and it makes my heart happy to know that I contributed to this $2.5B project, even though I only got 20k out of it." I attempt an abbreviated post, that might have been better received by everyone: "I wrote the ending poem for Minecraft. I believe it was not part of Microsoft's acquisition due to some contractual fun and games. I'm really proud of my work, and I want to share it those that did not get to experience the end of the game. Here you go, and please enjoy." FTFY
  - sbst32 4y ago
    This is his way of storytelling. This is his introspection. The poem in question was also long - too long for some people but it worked for others.