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Workarounds existing doesn't negate the rent-seeking. Also the "necessary costs" argument for the App Store fees falls apart when the unmonetized apps are all

Workarounds existing doesn't negate the rent-seeking. Also the "necessary costs" argument for the App Store fees falls apart when the unmonetized apps are all free.

scarface74 4y ago
So the fact that you don’t have to use Apple’s in app subscriptions for users to be able to subscribe is irrelevant to the argument that apps have to use in app purchases for subscriptions?
- manigandham 4y ago
  You're missing the point. The lack of alternative app stores or the ability to accept payments and control subscriptions via other gateways is the problem. You either use Apple app store/payments and accept the fee or you don't have any transaction ability in the app.
- oblio 4y ago
  Let's simplify this. I want to make an iOS app. I've already paid Apple the $100 bucks per year or whatever it is, so I've "done my part". Then, I want to have in-app subscriptions and payments, and I found a great service, XYZ, that does this. So, on my own time, with my own device I bought (which by the way, in another money-grubbing move, HAS to be another Apple device, even though there are 0 solid technical reasons to force this), I write the app, I put in the integration for XYZ. Can I publish this to large amounts of iOS devices?
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Can you do in app payments via any of the consoles, Roku, etc without the platform owner getting a cut?
    - oblio 4y ago
      No, and that's not any better. Plus, are we actually comparing general use mobile computing devices to niche and mostly fixed computing devices?
      - scarface74 4y ago
        So a “cell phone” is a “general purpose computing device” but a console isn’t?
        oblio 4y ago
        They're both Turing machines, if that's what you're getting at. In practice, no, a console is not a general purpose computing machine. On iOS, by design, you can install almost any kind of application even without jailbreaking it. Which people do, you can have Excel and Maps and IDEs and whatever. Consoles, by design, do not allow that. It's almost strictly meant for games and media. And again. I don't care. Both types of walled gardens should be abolished.
        scarface74 4y ago
        There is nothing about consoles that make them incapable of installing any type of software. They support keyboards and mice.

Workarounds existing doesn't negate the rent-seeking. Also the "necessary costs" argument for the App Store fees falls apart when the unmonetized apps are all free.

scarface74 4y ago

So the fact that you don’t have to use Apple’s in app subscriptions for users to be able to subscribe is irrelevant to the argument that apps have to use in app purchases for subscriptions?

manigandham 4y ago
You're missing the point. The lack of alternative app stores or the ability to accept payments and control subscriptions via other gateways is the problem. You either use Apple app store/payments and accept the fee or you don't have any transaction ability in the app.
oblio 4y ago
Let's simplify this. I want to make an iOS app. I've already paid Apple the $100 bucks per year or whatever it is, so I've "done my part". Then, I want to have in-app subscriptions and payments, and I found a great service, XYZ, that does this. So, on my own time, with my own device I bought (which by the way, in another money-grubbing move, HAS to be another Apple device, even though there are 0 solid technical reasons to force this), I write the app, I put in the integration for XYZ. Can I publish this to large amounts of iOS devices?
- scarface74 4y ago
  Can you do in app payments via any of the consoles, Roku, etc without the platform owner getting a cut?
  - oblio 4y ago
    No, and that's not any better. Plus, are we actually comparing general use mobile computing devices to niche and mostly fixed computing devices?
    - scarface74 4y ago
      So a “cell phone” is a “general purpose computing device” but a console isn’t?
      - oblio 4y ago
        They're both Turing machines, if that's what you're getting at. In practice, no, a console is not a general purpose computing machine. On iOS, by design, you can install almost any kind of application even without jailbreaking it. Which people do, you can have Excel and Maps and IDEs and whatever. Consoles, by design, do not allow that. It's almost strictly meant for games and media. And again. I don't care. Both types of walled gardens should be abolished.
        scarface74 4y ago
        There is nothing about consoles that make them incapable of installing any type of software. They support keyboards and mice.