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What nobody tells you is that to get the results you see people post online often requires hours of work for a single image. First you need to refine the promp

by fy20 4y ago

What nobody tells you is that to get the results you see people post online often requires hours of work for a single image. First you need to refine the prompt so it is ultra specific (which OP has not done), then you need to generate a hundred or so images and pick the best ones. From there you can use img2img to refine it more, and once that's done you might want to go to Photoshop to add some finishing touches. To get good results it is an art form at the moment, but of course as the tools get better eventually it will just be a click of a button.

Fricken 4y ago
So long as you're content with some random crazy image, you can get fancy stuff pretty easily with Midjourney V4. Getting specific details correct, however...
mch82 4y ago
Correct. It’s a new medium for a new school of artist, not a replacement for artists. Very exciting!
- prpl 4y ago
  it’s the new sketch
vhold 4y ago
Another trick you can do is when you find a composition you like, but it's off in whatever way, is lock down that seed, and then apply variation to that initial noise state, and produce a bunch more images from there. The popular AUTOMATIC1111 webui implements it: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki/Features#variations https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki...
godelski 4y ago
As someone researching generative models, this is one of my pet peeves. There's been a rat race to show off high quality cherry-picked samples. Very few works actually show random samples. It is rather frustrating because when pointed out it still goes ignored. I'm not sure why we look the other way, aren't these issues we want to solve? But if you tried to publish a paper with random results you won't get accepted. I am also not worried about AI taking over art, exactly for the reasons you say. Even if alignment was a whole lot better you're never going to be able to perfectly describe an image in your head. Language is too limited. So it will always be a tool. Of course, it can enable fraud. But not many people are putting digital arts on their walls. The other pet peeve is that people think generative models are only image or text. They so so much more.
- darawk 4y ago
  You don't need to be able to perfectly describe something in your head. That's what you hire an artist for. Almost nobody hires an artist to produce the exact thing they are imagining - they have a general idea of what they want, and the artist works with them in a back and forth way to find something they like. These image models seem quite capable of doing that to me. You enter your vague description, and iterate from there until you get something you like.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    Mmm, perhaps. I'm not an artist. I have a GCSE grade C or D, from 22 years ago back when that qualification still used letters. But despite that, I have enough of an eye for art to be surprised and disappointed by how many flaws other people are not only willing to accept, but actually prefer. Back in 2000-ish, that was my peers using non-tiling animated gifs as the background of their geocities pages; later it was seeing 72 dpi pixelation and jpeg compression artefacts on food packaging in a supermarket; or a lack of kerning in a clearly not-fixed-width font in a video game. I've also seen an artist get frustrated because two managers completely disagreed about what an ideal UI should look like, and kept saying they were too busy to talk to each other even though both needed to sign off the design and didn't like what the other wanted the UI to look like. And another who got a string of unpaid interns (they didn't tell me the interns were unpaid, but given how that contract ended it couldn't have been otherwise) to design a series of changes to the UI and then wondered why it was taking me so long to finish it. But that manager also kept telling me they wanted a button "wider" until I asked them to draw it and then they said "wider but vertically". I'm starting to think one of the things artists are needed for is to convince everyone else to stop arguing and just do the thing. This fits with the meme of the last two decades of fancy art being "Here is an unmade bed representing my depression" — the convincing justification is more important than the work itself.
    - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
      https://xkcd.com/1015/ https://xkcd.com/1015/ haha xkcd has one for everything
a_bonobo 4y ago
'The Policeman's beard is half-constructed' is a collection of poems from 1984. They were generated by Hidden Markov Models, handpicked from thousands and slightly edited by humans. Not much has changed in those 38 years :)
sebzim4500 4y ago
>What nobody tells you is that to get the results you see people post online often requires hours of work for a single image. It is definitely a skill but I don't think it's true that good results generally require a lot of time once you know what you are doing. Anecdotally I've seen requests on discord and 4chan answered within a few minutes with high quality images.

by fy20 4y ago

Fricken 4y ago

So long as you're content with some random crazy image, you can get fancy stuff pretty easily with Midjourney V4. Getting specific details correct, however...

mch82 4y ago

Correct. It’s a new medium for a new school of artist, not a replacement for artists. Very exciting!

prpl 4y ago
it’s the new sketch

vhold 4y ago

Another trick you can do is when you find a composition you like, but it's off in whatever way, is lock down that seed, and then apply variation to that initial noise state, and produce a bunch more images from there. The popular AUTOMATIC1111 webui implements it: https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki/Features#variations https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki...

godelski 4y ago

As someone researching generative models, this is one of my pet peeves. There's been a rat race to show off high quality cherry-picked samples. Very few works actually show random samples. It is rather frustrating because when pointed out it still goes ignored. I'm not sure why we look the other way, aren't these issues we want to solve? But if you tried to publish a paper with random results you won't get accepted. I am also not worried about AI taking over art, exactly for the reasons you say. Even if alignment was a whole lot better you're never going to be able to perfectly describe an image in your head. Language is too limited. So it will always be a tool. Of course, it can enable fraud. But not many people are putting digital arts on their walls. The other pet peeve is that people think generative models are only image or text. They so so much more.

darawk 4y ago
You don't need to be able to perfectly describe something in your head. That's what you hire an artist for. Almost nobody hires an artist to produce the exact thing they are imagining - they have a general idea of what they want, and the artist works with them in a back and forth way to find something they like. These image models seem quite capable of doing that to me. You enter your vague description, and iterate from there until you get something you like.
- ben_w 4y ago
  Mmm, perhaps. I'm not an artist. I have a GCSE grade C or D, from 22 years ago back when that qualification still used letters. But despite that, I have enough of an eye for art to be surprised and disappointed by how many flaws other people are not only willing to accept, but actually prefer. Back in 2000-ish, that was my peers using non-tiling animated gifs as the background of their geocities pages; later it was seeing 72 dpi pixelation and jpeg compression artefacts on food packaging in a supermarket; or a lack of kerning in a clearly not-fixed-width font in a video game. I've also seen an artist get frustrated because two managers completely disagreed about what an ideal UI should look like, and kept saying they were too busy to talk to each other even though both needed to sign off the design and didn't like what the other wanted the UI to look like. And another who got a string of unpaid interns (they didn't tell me the interns were unpaid, but given how that contract ended it couldn't have been otherwise) to design a series of changes to the UI and then wondered why it was taking me so long to finish it. But that manager also kept telling me they wanted a button "wider" until I asked them to draw it and then they said "wider but vertically". I'm starting to think one of the things artists are needed for is to convince everyone else to stop arguing and just do the thing. This fits with the meme of the last two decades of fancy art being "Here is an unmade bed representing my depression" — the convincing justification is more important than the work itself.
  - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
    https://xkcd.com/1015/ https://xkcd.com/1015/ haha xkcd has one for everything

a_bonobo 4y ago

'The Policeman's beard is half-constructed' is a collection of poems from 1984. They were generated by Hidden Markov Models, handpicked from thousands and slightly edited by humans. Not much has changed in those 38 years :)

sebzim4500 4y ago

>What nobody tells you is that to get the results you see people post online often requires hours of work for a single image. It is definitely a skill but I don't think it's true that good results generally require a lot of time once you know what you are doing. Anecdotally I've seen requests on discord and 4chan answered within a few minutes with high quality images.