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Considering the orgy parties they had in the Bahamas penthouse, it's like Eyes Wide Shut fantasies come to life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaIdHUx7FQg htt

Considering the orgy parties they had in the Bahamas penthouse, it's like Eyes Wide Shut fantasies come to life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaIdHUx7FQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaIdHUx7FQg

bamboozled 4y ago
I think you’re referring to SBF and FTX people, who aren’t the same group ?
- datalopers 4y ago
  FTX’s Future Fund donated $13.9M to the Center for Effective Altruism. This was apparently most (all?) of their 2022 donations and over 50% of their total donations ever received. So, yeah, FTX paid for this mansion. [1] https://donations.vipulnaik.com/donee.php?donee=Centre+for+Effective+Altruism https://donations.vipulnaik.com/donee.php?donee=Centre+for+E...
  - eddsh1994 4y ago
    Just to be clear, this is because most people within EA circles don't donate to EA infrastructure. SBF was a director of CEA for a few months prior to opening Alameda and likely was lobbied by someone to donate to infrastructure after it received so little.
  - jefftk 4y ago
    > FTX paid for this mansion. "I was the person who owned the early development of the project idea, and fundraised for it. (The funding comes from a grant specifically for this project, and is not FTX-related.) ..." https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xof7iFB3uh8Kc53bG/why-did-cea-buy-wytham-abbey#u3yJfbm2pes8TFpYX https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xof7iFB3uh8Kc53bG/... Also, if you believe your link, the first FTX donation to CEA was in 2022, and this was purchased in 2021. But eyeballing the numbers at the link I don't think it's complete.
Animats 4y ago
If they want to have orgies, fine. That's consensual. Fraud, no.
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  Sort of. It could be evidence in favour of fraud, showing FTX / Alameda are literally and figuratively not at arm's length.
  - kgwgk 4y ago
    Not even at penis's length, maybe.
- coding123 4y ago
  That's not fine. It demonstrates a shit ton of backwards priorities of a group called "ea"
- bowsamic 4y ago
  Having orgies is not fine
  - HDThoreaun 4y ago
    what's wrong with orgies?
    - bowsamic 4y ago
      Communal sex is immoral Abstractly hedonistic pleasure is of the devil
fwipsy 4y ago
Please don't conflate effective altruism with SBF/FTX. Although SBF was a major donor to EA organizations, they were not party to his fraud and EAs do not generally approve of doing unethical things "for the greater good."(Citation: Point #5 here: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/open-thread-250 https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/open-thread-250)
- deleted 4y ago
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- raverbashing 4y ago
  It's hard to believe people taking multi-million $donations have no association with FTX. The box is still to be opened on that side, but I don't doubt we might find something soon
- jasonhansel 4y ago
  > they were not party to his fraud That remains to be seen. The investigation is ongoing, and for my part I suspect that more people in EA will be implicated.
  - boeingUH60 4y ago
    Alameda got seed money (>$100 million) from two rich EA proponents: Skype co-founder Jann Tallinn and Luke Ding...at a steep interest rate of 43%. https://www.semafor.com/article/12/07/2022/charity-money-launched-sam-bankman-frieds-empire https://www.semafor.com/article/12/07/2022/charity-money-lau...
- ralph84 4y ago
  When the most famous advocate of your philosophy is the perpetrator of one of the biggest frauds in history, the conflation is unavoidable. EA will have to rebrand.
  - unmole 4y ago
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Considering the orgy parties they had in the Bahamas penthouse, it's like Eyes Wide Shut fantasies come to life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaIdHUx7FQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaIdHUx7FQg

bamboozled 4y ago

I think you’re referring to SBF and FTX people, who aren’t the same group ?

datalopers 4y ago
FTX’s Future Fund donated $13.9M to the Center for Effective Altruism. This was apparently most (all?) of their 2022 donations and over 50% of their total donations ever received. So, yeah, FTX paid for this mansion. [1] https://donations.vipulnaik.com/donee.php?donee=Centre+for+Effective+Altruism https://donations.vipulnaik.com/donee.php?donee=Centre+for+E...
- eddsh1994 4y ago
  Just to be clear, this is because most people within EA circles don't donate to EA infrastructure. SBF was a director of CEA for a few months prior to opening Alameda and likely was lobbied by someone to donate to infrastructure after it received so little.
- jefftk 4y ago
  > FTX paid for this mansion. "I was the person who owned the early development of the project idea, and fundraised for it. (The funding comes from a grant specifically for this project, and is not FTX-related.) ..." https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xof7iFB3uh8Kc53bG/why-did-cea-buy-wytham-abbey#u3yJfbm2pes8TFpYX https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xof7iFB3uh8Kc53bG/... Also, if you believe your link, the first FTX donation to CEA was in 2022, and this was purchased in 2021. But eyeballing the numbers at the link I don't think it's complete.

Animats 4y ago

If they want to have orgies, fine. That's consensual. Fraud, no.

quickthrower2 4y ago
Sort of. It could be evidence in favour of fraud, showing FTX / Alameda are literally and figuratively not at arm's length.
- kgwgk 4y ago
  Not even at penis's length, maybe.
coding123 4y ago
That's not fine. It demonstrates a shit ton of backwards priorities of a group called "ea"
bowsamic 4y ago
Having orgies is not fine
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  what's wrong with orgies?
  - bowsamic 4y ago
    Communal sex is immoral Abstractly hedonistic pleasure is of the devil

fwipsy 4y ago

Please don't conflate effective altruism with SBF/FTX. Although SBF was a major donor to EA organizations, they were not party to his fraud and EAs do not generally approve of doing unethical things "for the greater good."(Citation: Point #5 here: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/open-thread-250 https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/open-thread-250)

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raverbashing 4y ago
It's hard to believe people taking multi-million $donations have no association with FTX. The box is still to be opened on that side, but I don't doubt we might find something soon
jasonhansel 4y ago
> they were not party to his fraud That remains to be seen. The investigation is ongoing, and for my part I suspect that more people in EA will be implicated.
- boeingUH60 4y ago
  Alameda got seed money (>$100 million) from two rich EA proponents: Skype co-founder Jann Tallinn and Luke Ding...at a steep interest rate of 43%. https://www.semafor.com/article/12/07/2022/charity-money-launched-sam-bankman-frieds-empire https://www.semafor.com/article/12/07/2022/charity-money-lau...
ralph84 4y ago
When the most famous advocate of your philosophy is the perpetrator of one of the biggest frauds in history, the conflation is unavoidable. EA will have to rebrand.
- unmole 4y ago
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