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I've never had CBP check my passport when walking into Mexico. And Mexican officials are always asleep or absent when I pass through their side. No matter, al

I've never had CBP check my passport when walking into Mexico. And Mexican officials are always asleep or absent when I pass through their side. No matter, all they require to enter Mexico is a US Birth Certificate (but they don't ask) lol. People leaving by private boat or plane are basically on a trust system; how the hell would they know if you're flying to Hawaii or not if headed to the Pacific, or whether you're going somewhere foreign or to Puerto Rico or the USVI if you're sailing into the Caribbean? I'm pretty sure there's thousands a day that walk into Mexico everyday without a passport. Hell half the people in line returning to the US claim they "forgot" theirs. Leaving is easy without a passport. And don't forgot if Sunny can get to the shores of Pakistan, he is a citizen and they must let him in, after which he can easily hide in the tribal areas. All he would need is a yacht somewhere on the multi-thousands of miles on the coastline and some friendly boats in int'l waters to refuel him.

miohtama 4y ago
Pakistan does not have an extraction treaty with the US, so there is no need to hide there.
- ydlr 4y ago
  Yet, Pakistan routinely cooperates with US when it suits them. Lack of extraction treaty is no guarantee of safety.
- creaghpatr 4y ago
  Didn't work out so well for Osama Bin Laden.
- throwaway49374 4y ago
  Sunny Bulwani is from India not Pakistan
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    He was born to Pakistani Hindu family.
metadat 4y ago
Mexico has extradition agreements with the US. However it could ostensibly be a decent starting place to get fake documents and head off to begin a new life.
Alupis 4y ago
The thousands walking across the boarder don't have the problems someone like Sunny has though, including LEO's out looking for them, facial recognition systems, flagged bank accounts and credit cards, etc. Someone like Sunny can't realistically just drive to and walk across the border.
- notch656a 4y ago
  You may be right. I don't have anywhere near Sunny's problems but I do have a flagged passport after I fought in the militia YPG in Syria (legal, but I seem to have been put on a list which has caused me endless issues with CBP). Alarm bells ring to the Nth degree when I enter, but as far as I can tell they don't have much mechanism to investigate pedestrians leaving. I'm guessing if they do have something it only focuses on some exceptional cases (like perhaps Sunny).
  - Alupis 4y ago
    You are not currently wanted by the government - and only run into trouble after presenting a passport. This is not how a fugitive on the run would exit (or enter) a country. There is a lot more to the DHS apparatus than simply scanning passports. Most of it is unseen by the public.
    - notch656a 4y ago
      I am fascinated to learn more about the apparatus that checks pedestrians leaving the US. I understand there is doubtlessly unseen stuff going on there. Do you have any materials or primary sources I can look at to understand what you're talking about? It has been my experience when crossing after scanning my passport the officer goes from jovial to shocked/unexpected (I don't look like or act someone who would have a flagged passport) which leads me to believe there is at least in many cases no advanced warning to them a flagged individual is approaching. Now I know the government must surely have these systems but I think it may be doubtful how effective they've set it up to be to stop people leaving the country if by foot. The flow of people leaving the border in general is just way lower scrutiny, in my experience living in a border state. I would be shocked if the average say non-violent felon fugitive has much trouble leaving if they're not on a flight manifest.
eddsh1994 4y ago
> how the hell would they know if you're flying to Hawaii or not if headed to the Pacific Fwiw, you have scheduled flight plans and if a pilot did this deliberately they'd be reprimanded hard. You also have to land international flights in designated airports that have immigration. This wouldn't be easy to do if you're both wanted and bankrupt!
throwaway49374 4y ago
Bulwani is from India not Pakistan
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  He was Pakistani Hindu.

miohtama 4y ago

Pakistan does not have an extraction treaty with the US, so there is no need to hide there.

ydlr 4y ago
Yet, Pakistan routinely cooperates with US when it suits them. Lack of extraction treaty is no guarantee of safety.
creaghpatr 4y ago
Didn't work out so well for Osama Bin Laden.
throwaway49374 4y ago
Sunny Bulwani is from India not Pakistan
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  He was born to Pakistani Hindu family.

metadat 4y ago

Mexico has extradition agreements with the US. However it could ostensibly be a decent starting place to get fake documents and head off to begin a new life.

Alupis 4y ago

The thousands walking across the boarder don't have the problems someone like Sunny has though, including LEO's out looking for them, facial recognition systems, flagged bank accounts and credit cards, etc. Someone like Sunny can't realistically just drive to and walk across the border.

notch656a 4y ago
You may be right. I don't have anywhere near Sunny's problems but I do have a flagged passport after I fought in the militia YPG in Syria (legal, but I seem to have been put on a list which has caused me endless issues with CBP). Alarm bells ring to the Nth degree when I enter, but as far as I can tell they don't have much mechanism to investigate pedestrians leaving. I'm guessing if they do have something it only focuses on some exceptional cases (like perhaps Sunny).
- Alupis 4y ago
  You are not currently wanted by the government - and only run into trouble after presenting a passport. This is not how a fugitive on the run would exit (or enter) a country. There is a lot more to the DHS apparatus than simply scanning passports. Most of it is unseen by the public.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    I am fascinated to learn more about the apparatus that checks pedestrians leaving the US. I understand there is doubtlessly unseen stuff going on there. Do you have any materials or primary sources I can look at to understand what you're talking about? It has been my experience when crossing after scanning my passport the officer goes from jovial to shocked/unexpected (I don't look like or act someone who would have a flagged passport) which leads me to believe there is at least in many cases no advanced warning to them a flagged individual is approaching. Now I know the government must surely have these systems but I think it may be doubtful how effective they've set it up to be to stop people leaving the country if by foot. The flow of people leaving the border in general is just way lower scrutiny, in my experience living in a border state. I would be shocked if the average say non-violent felon fugitive has much trouble leaving if they're not on a flight manifest.

eddsh1994 4y ago

> how the hell would they know if you're flying to Hawaii or not if headed to the Pacific Fwiw, you have scheduled flight plans and if a pilot did this deliberately they'd be reprimanded hard. You also have to land international flights in designated airports that have immigration. This wouldn't be easy to do if you're both wanted and bankrupt!

throwaway49374 4y ago

Bulwani is from India not Pakistan

selimthegrim 4y ago
He was Pakistani Hindu.