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Using an IDE for Java will, in general, make you orders of magnitude more productive. Not because of generated files or anything like that, but because it can r

Using an IDE for Java will, in general, make you orders of magnitude more productive. Not because of generated files or anything like that, but because it can recommend methods, auto-fill in details, add imports, etc. That kind of things saves a lot of time over the long run.

Waterluvian 4y ago
Ah. I mean that’s somewhat true for any language. Is Java still super boilerplatey?
- papercrane 4y ago
  Depends on when you last touched Java. Lambda's (Java 8) have significantly reduced the ceremony needed to do things you'd use anonymous inner classes for. Java 14 introduced records, which makes building simple immutable data objects trivial. It's still a fairly verbose language, but it's miles from where it was 10 years ago.
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    My textbook says Java 6. So I guess so! I’m kind of excited now to try it again.
    - xahrepap 4y ago
      The language has definitely evolved a lot from then. But so have the major frameworks. While not perfect, building a web app in spring boot is a whole world better than doing the same using Java-6 era frameworks.
- jjfoooo4 4y ago
  The strong typing system in Java means the recommendations and general code assistance is much more accurate and powerful than that if scripting languages
- speed_spread 4y ago
  Java's libraries, coding conventions and culture made it verbose more than the core language itself ever required. Starting from scratch and eschewing "good practices" it was always possible to write much leaner code. Get rid of getters and setters, make every field public and final, use anonymous classes to implement interfaces inline, that sort of thing. Obviously wouldn't pass a code review at any "serious" shop ten years ago. But look at Java 20 now, with immutable records and closures and type inference? Well now that code style is now ok! But obviously my ten year old PR is still not approved...
- kaba0 4y ago
  Java is much much shorter than Go, which oddly enough never gets this “complement”. So, take these boilerplate claims for Java with a grain of salt. But to actually provide an answer, records shorten the language to a great degree in my opinion, there is also type inference with `var`, so on a local scope you can write really short code. The main method is still chatty, but it’s not like you actually have to write all that many times, plus it is just psvm for most IDE users.
  - peterashford 4y ago
    Yes! I work programming in Go. I like it a lot - its a very pragmatic language. But I couldn't believe that people who derided Java for verbosity were raving about Go. It's pretty good, but the boilerplate is extreme

Waterluvian 4y ago

Ah. I mean that’s somewhat true for any language. Is Java still super boilerplatey?

papercrane 4y ago
Depends on when you last touched Java. Lambda's (Java 8) have significantly reduced the ceremony needed to do things you'd use anonymous inner classes for. Java 14 introduced records, which makes building simple immutable data objects trivial. It's still a fairly verbose language, but it's miles from where it was 10 years ago.
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  My textbook says Java 6. So I guess so! I’m kind of excited now to try it again.
  - xahrepap 4y ago
    The language has definitely evolved a lot from then. But so have the major frameworks. While not perfect, building a web app in spring boot is a whole world better than doing the same using Java-6 era frameworks.
jjfoooo4 4y ago
The strong typing system in Java means the recommendations and general code assistance is much more accurate and powerful than that if scripting languages
speed_spread 4y ago
Java's libraries, coding conventions and culture made it verbose more than the core language itself ever required. Starting from scratch and eschewing "good practices" it was always possible to write much leaner code. Get rid of getters and setters, make every field public and final, use anonymous classes to implement interfaces inline, that sort of thing. Obviously wouldn't pass a code review at any "serious" shop ten years ago. But look at Java 20 now, with immutable records and closures and type inference? Well now that code style is now ok! But obviously my ten year old PR is still not approved...
kaba0 4y ago
Java is much much shorter than Go, which oddly enough never gets this “complement”. So, take these boilerplate claims for Java with a grain of salt. But to actually provide an answer, records shorten the language to a great degree in my opinion, there is also type inference with `var`, so on a local scope you can write really short code. The main method is still chatty, but it’s not like you actually have to write all that many times, plus it is just psvm for most IDE users.
- peterashford 4y ago
  Yes! I work programming in Go. I like it a lot - its a very pragmatic language. But I couldn't believe that people who derided Java for verbosity were raving about Go. It's pretty good, but the boilerplate is extreme