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Do Not Run An Exit Node! very few people have legitimate uses for an exit node. And it is a security nigthmare for everyone (you owning their crimes, them bein

Do Not Run An Exit Node! very few people have legitimate uses for an exit node. And it is a security nigthmare for everyone (you owning their crimes, them being at your MiTM attacks mercy, etc) But Do Run A Tor Node! everyone should join tor and it should become the main net, with only tor traffic.

charcircuit 4y ago
An ISP doesn't own the crimes that an attacker sends through them.
implements 4y ago
Well, I’m going to burn some karma by agreeing with you. Running an exit node is a bit like operating a no questions asked gun shop in downtown (some deprived city). Sure, there’s perfectly legitimate reasons to own and therefore sell a gun to someone, but that particular shop will be in the business of facilitating crime - and that’s a bad thing and therefore not a moral occupation.
- JasonFruit 4y ago
  If you run an ISP, chances are 100% that people will use it to feed their pornography and gambling addictions. That ISP will be in the business of ruining lives. Does that make running an ISP am immoral occupation?
- Legogris 4y ago
  s/gun/phone card/
- data_maan 4y ago
  > Running an exit node is a bit like operating a no questions asked gun shop in downtown (some deprived city). It's not quite like that. For some use cases that could be a correct metaphore. But for others, it's more like running a self-defense class in a well respected neighborhood.
hnarn 4y ago
> But Do Run A Tor Node! Just a word of caution, while running a non-exit node is obviously safer from a legal point of view, the entire list of active tor nodes isn’t secret, and there are enough people in the world that do not understand how tor works that the chance is non-zero that you’ll still end up on a block list somewhere for simply being a “tor node”, even though you never let any of the tor traffic out on the Internet. I know for a fact this can happen because it happened to me.
- flatiron 4y ago
  Happened to me too. Worked from home and it showed up I was logging in via Tor. They were not pleased.
- supertrope 4y ago
  Google shows anti-bot challenges if you run a non-exit relay.

charcircuit 4y ago

An ISP doesn't own the crimes that an attacker sends through them.

implements 4y ago

Well, I’m going to burn some karma by agreeing with you. Running an exit node is a bit like operating a no questions asked gun shop in downtown (some deprived city). Sure, there’s perfectly legitimate reasons to own and therefore sell a gun to someone, but that particular shop will be in the business of facilitating crime - and that’s a bad thing and therefore not a moral occupation.

JasonFruit 4y ago
If you run an ISP, chances are 100% that people will use it to feed their pornography and gambling addictions. That ISP will be in the business of ruining lives. Does that make running an ISP am immoral occupation?
Legogris 4y ago
s/gun/phone card/
data_maan 4y ago
> Running an exit node is a bit like operating a no questions asked gun shop in downtown (some deprived city). It's not quite like that. For some use cases that could be a correct metaphore. But for others, it's more like running a self-defense class in a well respected neighborhood.

hnarn 4y ago

> But Do Run A Tor Node! Just a word of caution, while running a non-exit node is obviously safer from a legal point of view, the entire list of active tor nodes isn’t secret, and there are enough people in the world that do not understand how tor works that the chance is non-zero that you’ll still end up on a block list somewhere for simply being a “tor node”, even though you never let any of the tor traffic out on the Internet. I know for a fact this can happen because it happened to me.

flatiron 4y ago
Happened to me too. Worked from home and it showed up I was logging in via Tor. They were not pleased.
supertrope 4y ago
Google shows anti-bot challenges if you run a non-exit relay.