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Except the "freedom convoy" people were committing real crimes. Blocking an international bridge is very illegal.

by Maximus9000 4y ago

givemeethekeys 4y ago
Not wearing a hijab is very illegal.
- pupppet 4y ago
  Not a fair comparison. Iranian women never agreed to the hijab law and truckers were perfectly fine with the law against blocking bridges, until they weren't.
  - ars 4y ago
    Neither one of your assertions is true. Most Iranian women (and Muslim women in general) support the hijab law. Not all do of course, but to claim that women are opposed to this is not true. And of course there are those who support wearing a hijab, but oppose the penalty. And what makes you think truckers were OK with a law banning protests that block a bridge? I suspect truckers have never been OK with a law limiting their protests, it just never came up before.
    - pupppet 4y ago
      So Iranian women voted in the govt who implemented the hijab law?
    - selimthegrim 4y ago
      Most Muslim countries do not have a hijab law
    - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
      Because when the protesters weren't the truckers, the truckers would be the ones being blocked by the protests. So, yeah, I strongly suspect that the truckers were fine with the law banning protests that blocked the bridge, until they were themselves the protesters.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Some laws are stupid. Believing that hair is a destabilizing force on society and should be punished to the point of disallowing you from interacting with society is generally considered stupid by modern people. Many people don't think harming your wallet for attempting to block commerce is stupid. Much of the point of modern law is to keep modern commerce going, so of course if you try and block that, you will see government push back. Just look at all the push back rail workers got from the government for daring to use their importance to ask for a better deal.
  - HKH2 4y ago
    Well you are clearly not a relativist. What else should we do to change their culture? Look at all the recent changes that have been imposed upon the Middle East by the West. How on earth can a Westerner claim moral superiority in that context? We kill innocent civilians in drone strikes, but at least we don't freeze the accounts of people who don't wear head coverings, right?
chollida1 4y ago
> Except the "freedom convoy" people were committing real crimes. Blocking an international bridge is very illegal. I'm Canadian The thing that really scared the shit out of all my peers wasn't punishing people, it was the locking bank accounts and taking money from people with absolutely no due process at all. No trial, no charges, just government doesn't like you, you're money is now gone. This is a line that had never been crossed before and instantly hurt Canada's reputation on the world stage. I had friends from the Bahamas, not FTX related:) and Europe reach out on the day after it went public to ask what the hell is going on with Canada. It was a huge black eye for Canada. I know alot of people who immediately sent money out of the country, to the US, crypto, to foreign realestate. I'm still proudly Canadian, but the harm our government did by taking money with absolutely no judicial oversite can not be overstated. We used to be a country of laws, the government just set the precedent that they no longer need courts. I still live here, have assets here and pay taxes here, but governments bypassing the courts and taking peoples assets with no oversite is a line that just should never have happened. And to be clear, I wasn't happy about the convoy and I do think that blocking border crossing was something that shouldn't have happened, but the police should have dealt with it, not the government by reaching into peoples accounts and taking money from them without a court order.

Except the "freedom convoy" people were committing real crimes. Blocking an international bridge is very illegal.

givemeethekeys 4y ago

Not wearing a hijab is very illegal.

pupppet 4y ago
Not a fair comparison. Iranian women never agreed to the hijab law and truckers were perfectly fine with the law against blocking bridges, until they weren't.
- ars 4y ago
  Neither one of your assertions is true. Most Iranian women (and Muslim women in general) support the hijab law. Not all do of course, but to claim that women are opposed to this is not true. And of course there are those who support wearing a hijab, but oppose the penalty. And what makes you think truckers were OK with a law banning protests that block a bridge? I suspect truckers have never been OK with a law limiting their protests, it just never came up before.
  - pupppet 4y ago
    So Iranian women voted in the govt who implemented the hijab law?
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    Most Muslim countries do not have a hijab law
  - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
    Because when the protesters weren't the truckers, the truckers would be the ones being blocked by the protests. So, yeah, I strongly suspect that the truckers were fine with the law banning protests that blocked the bridge, until they were themselves the protesters.
mrguyorama 4y ago
Some laws are stupid. Believing that hair is a destabilizing force on society and should be punished to the point of disallowing you from interacting with society is generally considered stupid by modern people. Many people don't think harming your wallet for attempting to block commerce is stupid. Much of the point of modern law is to keep modern commerce going, so of course if you try and block that, you will see government push back. Just look at all the push back rail workers got from the government for daring to use their importance to ask for a better deal.
- HKH2 4y ago
  Well you are clearly not a relativist. What else should we do to change their culture? Look at all the recent changes that have been imposed upon the Middle East by the West. How on earth can a Westerner claim moral superiority in that context? We kill innocent civilians in drone strikes, but at least we don't freeze the accounts of people who don't wear head coverings, right?

chollida1 4y ago

> Except the "freedom convoy" people were committing real crimes. Blocking an international bridge is very illegal. I'm Canadian The thing that really scared the shit out of all my peers wasn't punishing people, it was the locking bank accounts and taking money from people with absolutely no due process at all. No trial, no charges, just government doesn't like you, you're money is now gone. This is a line that had never been crossed before and instantly hurt Canada's reputation on the world stage. I had friends from the Bahamas, not FTX related:) and Europe reach out on the day after it went public to ask what the hell is going on with Canada. It was a huge black eye for Canada. I know alot of people who immediately sent money out of the country, to the US, crypto, to foreign realestate. I'm still proudly Canadian, but the harm our government did by taking money with absolutely no judicial oversite can not be overstated. We used to be a country of laws, the government just set the precedent that they no longer need courts. I still live here, have assets here and pay taxes here, but governments bypassing the courts and taking peoples assets with no oversite is a line that just should never have happened. And to be clear, I wasn't happy about the convoy and I do think that blocking border crossing was something that shouldn't have happened, but the police should have dealt with it, not the government by reaching into peoples accounts and taking money from them without a court order.