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This article seems to be joke. Thery don't even link the "research" and the research itself is extremely dubious. It says that men are dropping out of workshop

This article seems to be joke. Thery don't even link the "research" and the research itself is extremely dubious. It says that men are dropping out of workshop because their peers are getting paid more. huh?? A better question to ask: How all these people refusing to work are paying their bills?

vaidhy 4y ago
Because it does not cost a lot of money if you want to live a hand-to-mouth existence. It is like asking how do subsistence living work. You make to do with what you have, what you can gather and do something to earn you occasional cash. There is no long term thinking here, no optimism for future. I do not think this leads to a healthy society. But the point is that they do not have a lot of bills to pay and they do not care about the remaining.
Mountain_Skies 4y ago
So much of social science research theses days appears to be little different than the cops in 'Demolition Man' trying to figure out the motives and next actions of bad guy Simon Phoenix. As to your last question, I can live comfortably on $2000 per month (after tax) and many can get by on far less. When you're not trying to woo or impress anyone, life can get very inexpensive for the single man with no children.
panny 4y ago
>A better question to ask: How all these people refusing to work are paying their bills? I think the answer is obvious. They don't. I guess you've never been poor.
- sytelus 4y ago
  Some other answers I have seen floaing around: - Boomers are dying and their highly inflated real estate assets are getting transferred to their children. Imagine one day waking up from your Walmart cashier job and having $$2.5M house on your name. - Many people invested in stock market and got out just in time to have double or quadruple their money. Many of them went to $1M-3M in cash and now happily living ever after financially free in cheap places. - Many people have got addicted to buy-now-pay-later and they haven't came off yet. - Ton of people moved to gig economy, driving taxies and delivering goods. They are hard to account as "employed" but leave a huge hole in available labor force for traditional employers.
  - tcmart14 4y ago
    This article is probably another case of trying to pigeon hole everything into one nice and neat little answer when in reality, it is a lot more complicated. I know people in all the scenarios you listed. There are probably a hundred more than apply to thousands of people.
  - luxuryballs 4y ago
    Thanks this is exactly what I was looking for. And also this appears like they dropped out for better reasons than just feeling “not fairsies”.
boppo1 4y ago
Our boomer parents make enough to feed us and we consume little more than some food and internet service. All the expensive things in life: dating, cars, clothing, travel, entertainment on-the-town... we do without. Books and even videogames are cheap. At my age, one of my parents knew how to work a spreadsheet and that was enough to life in the city in a nice apartment, two cars and a social life, then a baby and a house. I need an internship or 3-5 years experience to get hired for a job with longer hours than he had, that will pay enough for maybe a third of the material life I described above.
Arnt 4y ago
I looked at the research and don't see why it's "extremely dubious", as you say. Would you care to elaborate?

vaidhy 4y ago

Because it does not cost a lot of money if you want to live a hand-to-mouth existence. It is like asking how do subsistence living work. You make to do with what you have, what you can gather and do something to earn you occasional cash. There is no long term thinking here, no optimism for future. I do not think this leads to a healthy society. But the point is that they do not have a lot of bills to pay and they do not care about the remaining.

Mountain_Skies 4y ago

So much of social science research theses days appears to be little different than the cops in 'Demolition Man' trying to figure out the motives and next actions of bad guy Simon Phoenix. As to your last question, I can live comfortably on $2000 per month (after tax) and many can get by on far less. When you're not trying to woo or impress anyone, life can get very inexpensive for the single man with no children.

panny 4y ago

>A better question to ask: How all these people refusing to work are paying their bills? I think the answer is obvious. They don't. I guess you've never been poor.

sytelus 4y ago
Some other answers I have seen floaing around: - Boomers are dying and their highly inflated real estate assets are getting transferred to their children. Imagine one day waking up from your Walmart cashier job and having $$2.5M house on your name. - Many people invested in stock market and got out just in time to have double or quadruple their money. Many of them went to $1M-3M in cash and now happily living ever after financially free in cheap places. - Many people have got addicted to buy-now-pay-later and they haven't came off yet. - Ton of people moved to gig economy, driving taxies and delivering goods. They are hard to account as "employed" but leave a huge hole in available labor force for traditional employers.
- tcmart14 4y ago
  This article is probably another case of trying to pigeon hole everything into one nice and neat little answer when in reality, it is a lot more complicated. I know people in all the scenarios you listed. There are probably a hundred more than apply to thousands of people.
- luxuryballs 4y ago
  Thanks this is exactly what I was looking for. And also this appears like they dropped out for better reasons than just feeling “not fairsies”.

boppo1 4y ago

Our boomer parents make enough to feed us and we consume little more than some food and internet service. All the expensive things in life: dating, cars, clothing, travel, entertainment on-the-town... we do without. Books and even videogames are cheap. At my age, one of my parents knew how to work a spreadsheet and that was enough to life in the city in a nice apartment, two cars and a social life, then a baby and a house. I need an internship or 3-5 years experience to get hired for a job with longer hours than he had, that will pay enough for maybe a third of the material life I described above.

Arnt 4y ago

I looked at the research and don't see why it's "extremely dubious", as you say. Would you care to elaborate?