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After the disbanding of the morality police, they are about to find out what real brutality at the hands of the full police looks like. The morality police was

After the disbanding of the morality police, they are about to find out what real brutality at the hands of the full police looks like. The morality police was not some violent police force. They were a force who grab, detain, and deliver to another location. Actual punishment (even if rare) was never administered by them, but by a different unit. This is what happens during a color revolution based on falsehood. Things become much worse.

selimthegrim 4y ago
What exactly is the point you are trying to make here? Any government with “Islamic” in the name is ulu-ul-amr and gets to kill people for opposing it? When Shias in Zia’s time didn’t want Zakat deducted from their bank accounts and marched in Islamabad would it have been halal to kill them in your book?
- nashashmi 4y ago
  That's not at all what I am getting at. I have learned to respect authority I dislike because the alternatives are far worse. And it seems this has proven true in case of Iraq with saddam, Egypt with mubarak, alqaeda vs isil, musharraf in Pakistan vs any other alternatives, Assad in Syria, etc. The alternatives are always worse. Edit: Whats ulu ul amr.
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    https://en.wikishia.net/view/Ulu_l-Amr https://en.wikishia.net/view/Ulu_l-Amr
    - nashashmi 4y ago
      Is this why the Iranians hate their religion along with the govt? Because they mix them up as one and the same?
      - selimthegrim 4y ago
        Exactly. Although before Khomeini vilayat-e-faqih was a minority interpretation, most clerics were quietist.
  - albertopv 4y ago
    Alternatives may not be so black and white. Also, looking in the short term maybe it's like you said, but then? What about fighting for more freedom in the future, for the next generation? It's all about hope. See what seems to have happened in China, they vehemently protested, they fought police, but now covid restrictions seem to be relaxed.
    - nashashmi 4y ago
      China is one of the few nations where people have learned to protest with dignity. And so govt is also in tuned. As for bringing about change, it has to be conversational first, then activist, then public protest. The ideas have to be baked in a wide variety of people and needs to elicit reactions of both sides. Then the activist phase kicks in where people most vocal get their say. Then protests can happen without people getting hurt.

selimthegrim 4y ago

What exactly is the point you are trying to make here? Any government with “Islamic” in the name is ulu-ul-amr and gets to kill people for opposing it? When Shias in Zia’s time didn’t want Zakat deducted from their bank accounts and marched in Islamabad would it have been halal to kill them in your book?

nashashmi 4y ago
That's not at all what I am getting at. I have learned to respect authority I dislike because the alternatives are far worse. And it seems this has proven true in case of Iraq with saddam, Egypt with mubarak, alqaeda vs isil, musharraf in Pakistan vs any other alternatives, Assad in Syria, etc. The alternatives are always worse. Edit: Whats ulu ul amr.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  https://en.wikishia.net/view/Ulu_l-Amr https://en.wikishia.net/view/Ulu_l-Amr
  - nashashmi 4y ago
    Is this why the Iranians hate their religion along with the govt? Because they mix them up as one and the same?
    - selimthegrim 4y ago
      Exactly. Although before Khomeini vilayat-e-faqih was a minority interpretation, most clerics were quietist.
- albertopv 4y ago
  Alternatives may not be so black and white. Also, looking in the short term maybe it's like you said, but then? What about fighting for more freedom in the future, for the next generation? It's all about hope. See what seems to have happened in China, they vehemently protested, they fought police, but now covid restrictions seem to be relaxed.
  - nashashmi 4y ago
    China is one of the few nations where people have learned to protest with dignity. And so govt is also in tuned. As for bringing about change, it has to be conversational first, then activist, then public protest. The ideas have to be baked in a wide variety of people and needs to elicit reactions of both sides. Then the activist phase kicks in where people most vocal get their say. Then protests can happen without people getting hurt.