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In the settings app they advertise iCloud if you aren't using it

riversflow 4y ago
> ios ads for their services. I hate ads, but for most people paying some bucks a month to make sure their 2nd brain of photos/notes/passwords/texts/etc is totally (and now privately) backed up is a worthwhile insurance policy. I think the argument that advertising iCloud plan upgrades in settings, where you’ll be pointed to if you run out of backup storage, is very benign as far as ads go. Although I do think that they should have a method to dismiss it(I don’t see this so I’m projecting that they don’t).
- HeckFeck 4y ago
  It is much, much less obnoxious than the constant nagging to use Edge and OneDrive we see in Windows. Windows even sent a notification questioning my choice to disable location tracking.
  - andrepd 4y ago
    I don't have ads on my phone or my desktop. Why should I settle for a shittier experience A? The fact that there is an even shittier experience B is no argument.
    - HeckFeck 4y ago
      The only 'ads' I've seen from Apple have been the aforementioned iCloud invitation in Settings, there is also a prompt to sign up for iCloud when first setting up the system. That's an element of user choice - 'use our service, or don't, we won't ask twice'. Unlike MS - you have to link everything with an ID when first setting up W11, no choice unless you go to extreme workarounds. Constant nagging and manipulation thereafter. With that said, what platform are you using that has no ads at all? Presumably Linux on the desktop, which I can almost use. But unfortunately I can't use it on mobile, I have too many use cases in the personal and business world that require a 'normie' grade phone.
      - moistly 4y ago
        Not even Linux is safe. Ubuntu has displayed advertisements several times. https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/13/canonical_ubuntu_ad https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/13/canonical_ubuntu_ad
      - andrepd 4y ago
        I simply use an Android build with Microg, and block ads and trackers at a system level (indeed run a firewall in whitelist mode).
  - howinteresting 4y ago
    Yes, Apple is slightly less bad than Windows. On the other hand, Linux doesn't have any ads (other than the silly ones Ubuntu is trying to push on the command line these days).
    - katbyte 4y ago
      wait what.. holy moly: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/ubuntu-pro-terminal-ad https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/ubuntu-pro-terminal-ad
      - moistly 4y ago
        Several times. https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/13/canonical_ubuntu_ad https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/13/canonical_ubuntu_ad
    - sbuk 4y ago
      Calling a onetime pop-up of a service offering an ad is stretching the description somewhat. Also, it's losing sight of the main argument - ads driven by gathering personal data is what causes concern.
      - howinteresting 4y ago
        Still worse than Linux. And that's one of the arguments against ads, the other one is that ads take up your attention.
theshrike79 4y ago
So by this definition Firefox is advertising Pocket?
- cies 4y ago
  Clearly. That was the main problem voiced when they started doing this, wasn't it?
- doodlesdev 4y ago
  Yes
kaba0 4y ago
If you consider that an ad, then we are not talking about the same topic. Like sure, pedantically it is an ad, but is not the kind people mind or hurts their privacy at all, nor does it have shady incentives (it is not a third-party service).

> ios ads for their services. I hate ads, but for most people paying some bucks a month to make sure their 2nd brain of photos/notes/passwords/texts/etc is totally (and now privately) backed up is a worthwhile insurance policy. I think the argument that advertising iCloud plan upgrades in settings, where you’ll be pointed to if you run out of backup storage, is very benign as far as ads go. Although I do think that they should have a method to dismiss it(I don’t see this so I’m projecting that they don’t).

HeckFeck 4y ago
It is much, much less obnoxious than the constant nagging to use Edge and OneDrive we see in Windows. Windows even sent a notification questioning my choice to disable location tracking.
- andrepd 4y ago
  I don't have ads on my phone or my desktop. Why should I settle for a shittier experience A? The fact that there is an even shittier experience B is no argument.
  - HeckFeck 4y ago
    The only 'ads' I've seen from Apple have been the aforementioned iCloud invitation in Settings, there is also a prompt to sign up for iCloud when first setting up the system. That's an element of user choice - 'use our service, or don't, we won't ask twice'. Unlike MS - you have to link everything with an ID when first setting up W11, no choice unless you go to extreme workarounds. Constant nagging and manipulation thereafter. With that said, what platform are you using that has no ads at all? Presumably Linux on the desktop, which I can almost use. But unfortunately I can't use it on mobile, I have too many use cases in the personal and business world that require a 'normie' grade phone.
    - moistly 4y ago
      Not even Linux is safe. Ubuntu has displayed advertisements several times. https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/13/canonical_ubuntu_ad https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/13/canonical_ubuntu_ad
    - andrepd 4y ago
      I simply use an Android build with Microg, and block ads and trackers at a system level (indeed run a firewall in whitelist mode).
- howinteresting 4y ago
  Yes, Apple is slightly less bad than Windows. On the other hand, Linux doesn't have any ads (other than the silly ones Ubuntu is trying to push on the command line these days).
  - katbyte 4y ago
    wait what.. holy moly: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/ubuntu-pro-terminal-ad https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/10/ubuntu-pro-terminal-ad
    - moistly 4y ago
      Several times. https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/13/canonical_ubuntu_ad https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/13/canonical_ubuntu_ad
  - sbuk 4y ago
    Calling a onetime pop-up of a service offering an ad is stretching the description somewhat. Also, it's losing sight of the main argument - ads driven by gathering personal data is what causes concern.
    - howinteresting 4y ago
      Still worse than Linux. And that's one of the arguments against ads, the other one is that ads take up your attention.

theshrike79 4y ago

So by this definition Firefox is advertising Pocket?

cies 4y ago
Clearly. That was the main problem voiced when they started doing this, wasn't it?
doodlesdev 4y ago
Yes

kaba0 4y ago

If you consider that an ad, then we are not talking about the same topic. Like sure, pedantically it is an ad, but is not the kind people mind or hurts their privacy at all, nor does it have shady incentives (it is not a third-party service).