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>>>seriously, anyone at this point advocating for any other phone/os/service out there besides apple is really going out of their way to swim up river. Lol I w

>>>seriously, anyone at this point advocating for any other phone/os/service out there besides apple is really going out of their way to swim up river. Lol I would never advocate for any company I engage with to use apple products. Why? Because they suck.iphoto and iCloud are pieces of trash. Most basic thing like, delete local but keep cloud copy seems to be missing. Can't keep a iPhone synced and do this with iCloud. Lulz worthy sitcho. Also can't even copy files off device easily. Can't put custom apps on devices easily. The company actively kicks back against things like, freedom of information, following standards, reducing e-waste. You know some of us make decisions around the companies we support on greater levels than just feature a or b is present in device. Apple are a predatory company that in no way promote a software or hardware ecosystem that is ethical imho and they don't promote one I want to participate in. I wouldn't touch their shit with a barge pole and ontop of this due to being IT everytime I'm forced to I'm mostly confused by wtf folks think is so great. I legit find the kids toy ux difficult to work with, borderline impossible. I also like blowing clients away with simple tasks like....copying photos to a usb...browsing files on my phone on a pc. You know the basic stuff like they used to do when they were younger but apple cucked it along the way for zero reason lol.

jdiez17 4y ago
> Also can't even copy files off device easily. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33898890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33898890. > Can't put custom apps on devices easily. You will, from May, thanks to the EU Digital Markets act. > [...] simple tasks like....copying photos to a usb...browsing files on my phone on a pc. You can do this with ifuse: https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse
- gtvwill 4y ago
  May isn't today. Downloading some random GitHub app to access a phones storage sure as shit won't be happening on any managed corporate devices I deploy. Or unmanaged devices tbh. That's the kinda shit I leave for quarantined VMs. Data is still not easily accessible once it's on a iPhone.
  - jdiez17 4y ago
    Okay... then use iTunes on Windows or Mac? (Not sure how those work, never used them, but I assume they provide the same functionality as imobiledevice)
    - gtvwill 4y ago
      Nah I thought that was the case too. Turns out it is not. Had a clients employee as me for help w/ her iphone about 2 weeks back. 32gb phone, no storage space left on device so it legit just stopped working, wouldnt recieve texts or anything cus it was full. So clients like, help me get photos off phone onto a USB or set photos to store in icloud only and ill delete the phone copies (well this is what I thought was an option because I can do it w/ just about every other backup software I use). Turns out big fat nup to either options. Only way she could delete phone photos but keep cloud ones was to disable sync entirely (lol wtf is the point of linked cloud if sync is so shithouse?). Plug phone into itunes, all you get re. access to device is no ability to view pics as files too extract, you cant even control apps on the device (good luck finding out what apple referred to as other apple software that used up >30% of phones internal space it just gets all lumped in under one grey color of storage being used. Got forced to use a iphone 11 or someshit a few years back as a company issued device. Man it was alright at making phone calls, complete POS for doing any actual work on. Basically found it to be an overpriced paperweight that could take ok photos but was impossible to retrieve photos from. No i dont want a icloud account or any of that bs i just want to plug in to pc and pull files like I've been doing for 25+ years on every other platform ive ever used.
      - jdiez17 4y ago
        https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/import-photos-and-videos-from-an-iphone-to-pc-2e4e4db4-4c3d-041c-b88f-3ee4358dd95e https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/import-photos-an... ? Also, https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201301 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201301 ?
      - zimpenfish 4y ago
        If Photos iCloud sync is turned off[1], you can use Image Capture to download and delete photos from the phone to a Mac[2]. [1] I assume because then it's guaranteed the photos are stored on the phone, not just links to the iCloud versions. [2] https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/image-capture/imgcp1003/mac https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/image-capture/imgcp100...
- rOOb85 4y ago
  > You will, from May, thanks to the EU Digital Markets act. Is this fact? Last I read about this the law was passed, but it's still unclear if apple will actually allow this. I absolutely would love if I could use the latest version of iOS and install apps that are not in the app store. I'm currently using trollstore to do this but that means using older versions of iOS that are vulnerable to exploits.
  - jdiez17 4y ago
    So far Apple doesn't seem to be interested in breaking the law.
    - brewdad 4y ago
      I guess it depends on what the punishment is. If it's only a fine, Apple might happily pay it to retain full control of the app repository.
  - bgidley 4y ago
    The law has passed - but it also has exemptions for security.... So we can expect a lot of negotiating between the EU & Apple/Google on what they actually have to do.

jdiez17 4y ago

> Also can't even copy files off device easily. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33898890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33898890. > Can't put custom apps on devices easily. You will, from May, thanks to the EU Digital Markets act. > [...] simple tasks like....copying photos to a usb...browsing files on my phone on a pc. You can do this with ifuse: https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse https://github.com/libimobiledevice/ifuse

gtvwill 4y ago
May isn't today. Downloading some random GitHub app to access a phones storage sure as shit won't be happening on any managed corporate devices I deploy. Or unmanaged devices tbh. That's the kinda shit I leave for quarantined VMs. Data is still not easily accessible once it's on a iPhone.
- jdiez17 4y ago
  Okay... then use iTunes on Windows or Mac? (Not sure how those work, never used them, but I assume they provide the same functionality as imobiledevice)
  - gtvwill 4y ago
    Nah I thought that was the case too. Turns out it is not. Had a clients employee as me for help w/ her iphone about 2 weeks back. 32gb phone, no storage space left on device so it legit just stopped working, wouldnt recieve texts or anything cus it was full. So clients like, help me get photos off phone onto a USB or set photos to store in icloud only and ill delete the phone copies (well this is what I thought was an option because I can do it w/ just about every other backup software I use). Turns out big fat nup to either options. Only way she could delete phone photos but keep cloud ones was to disable sync entirely (lol wtf is the point of linked cloud if sync is so shithouse?). Plug phone into itunes, all you get re. access to device is no ability to view pics as files too extract, you cant even control apps on the device (good luck finding out what apple referred to as other apple software that used up >30% of phones internal space it just gets all lumped in under one grey color of storage being used. Got forced to use a iphone 11 or someshit a few years back as a company issued device. Man it was alright at making phone calls, complete POS for doing any actual work on. Basically found it to be an overpriced paperweight that could take ok photos but was impossible to retrieve photos from. No i dont want a icloud account or any of that bs i just want to plug in to pc and pull files like I've been doing for 25+ years on every other platform ive ever used.
    - jdiez17 4y ago
      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/import-photos-and-videos-from-an-iphone-to-pc-2e4e4db4-4c3d-041c-b88f-3ee4358dd95e https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/import-photos-an... ? Also, https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201301 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201301 ?
    - zimpenfish 4y ago
      If Photos iCloud sync is turned off[1], you can use Image Capture to download and delete photos from the phone to a Mac[2]. [1] I assume because then it's guaranteed the photos are stored on the phone, not just links to the iCloud versions. [2] https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/image-capture/imgcp1003/mac https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/image-capture/imgcp100...
rOOb85 4y ago
> You will, from May, thanks to the EU Digital Markets act. Is this fact? Last I read about this the law was passed, but it's still unclear if apple will actually allow this. I absolutely would love if I could use the latest version of iOS and install apps that are not in the app store. I'm currently using trollstore to do this but that means using older versions of iOS that are vulnerable to exploits.
- jdiez17 4y ago
  So far Apple doesn't seem to be interested in breaking the law.
  - brewdad 4y ago
    I guess it depends on what the punishment is. If it's only a fine, Apple might happily pay it to retain full control of the app repository.
- bgidley 4y ago
  The law has passed - but it also has exemptions for security.... So we can expect a lot of negotiating between the EU & Apple/Google on what they actually have to do.