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You mean like the French banning burkinis worn my religious minorities? https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/europe/grenoble-france-burkini-ban-pools-upheld-intl/ind

You mean like the French banning burkinis worn my religious minorities? https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/europe/grenoble-france-burkini-ban-pools-upheld-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/europe/grenoble-france-burkin...

lern_too_spel 4y ago
Would it surprise you to learn that France also bans female genital mutilation, another religious practice enforced on people who typically have no say in the matter? These bans apply to people of any religion and of no religion. Let's not pretend this is the same thing as kidnapping you and taking you to a reeducation camp because of your religion, leaving your kids alone and confused.
- scarface74 4y ago
  So you put banning the clothes you can wear because you want to be modest with female genital mutilation?
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    Let's be clear about what we're discussing. France prevented a law that would have allowed burkinis to circumvent existing public pool rules that require a swim cap and forbid baggy clothes and certain sun protection suits. People forced to wear certain clothes by others in their religion do not get special exceptions. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna34833 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna34833
    - scarface74 4y ago
      You realize that your citation actually reinforces the idea that the only reason this law was passed was because the government was against them to enforce “secularism”? No one claimed that they were being “forced” to be part of a religion. What next? Forcing people to eat pork even if it is against their religion to enforce “secularism”? This was nothing more than discrimination. In the US, we had to have laws that allowed Black girls to wear their hair the way they wanted and schools were forcing black girls to straighten their hair to fit in. https://www.naacpldf.org/natural-hair-discrimination/ https://www.naacpldf.org/natural-hair-discrimination/
      - lern_too_spel 4y ago
        The pool rules considered no religion and only what is necessary for pool safety and cleanliness. The law that the city passed made concessions for a religion (just one). If your religion requires you to defecate in the pool each time you enter, should they make laws allowing that? People who are forced to wear certain clothes by others in their religion are also often forced to have that religion. Confusing race with religion is even crazier. We should accommodate people who are physically different, but there is no reason to go out of our way to accommodate people with arbitrarily wacky beliefs and even less reason to go out of our way to accommodate oppression by people with arbitrarily wacky beliefs.
        scarface74 4y ago
        The citation you posted said nothing about sanitation and was about “enforcing secularism”. Honestly, every religion is “wacky” to an outside observer.
        lern_too_spel 4y ago
        The pool rules are about sanitation and safety. The law allowing burkinis was removed because "it violates the principle of government neutrality toward religion" by being written to accommodate a single religion. The secularism rule basically says that the government should not make laws to accommodate one religion because then it would have to make laws to accommodate any and all religions, and there is no limit to how wacky a religion can be.
        scarface74 4y ago
        You can’t believe that. That’s just like saying that laws against “sodomy” weren’t discriminatory and only passed for the welfare of the state when they were clearly passed to criminalize non heterosexual consenting sex between adults.
        lern_too_spel 4y ago

lern_too_spel 4y ago

Would it surprise you to learn that France also bans female genital mutilation, another religious practice enforced on people who typically have no say in the matter? These bans apply to people of any religion and of no religion. Let's not pretend this is the same thing as kidnapping you and taking you to a reeducation camp because of your religion, leaving your kids alone and confused.

scarface74 4y ago
So you put banning the clothes you can wear because you want to be modest with female genital mutilation?
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Let's be clear about what we're discussing. France prevented a law that would have allowed burkinis to circumvent existing public pool rules that require a swim cap and forbid baggy clothes and certain sun protection suits. People forced to wear certain clothes by others in their religion do not get special exceptions. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna34833 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna34833
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You realize that your citation actually reinforces the idea that the only reason this law was passed was because the government was against them to enforce “secularism”? No one claimed that they were being “forced” to be part of a religion. What next? Forcing people to eat pork even if it is against their religion to enforce “secularism”? This was nothing more than discrimination. In the US, we had to have laws that allowed Black girls to wear their hair the way they wanted and schools were forcing black girls to straighten their hair to fit in. https://www.naacpldf.org/natural-hair-discrimination/ https://www.naacpldf.org/natural-hair-discrimination/
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      The pool rules considered no religion and only what is necessary for pool safety and cleanliness. The law that the city passed made concessions for a religion (just one). If your religion requires you to defecate in the pool each time you enter, should they make laws allowing that? People who are forced to wear certain clothes by others in their religion are also often forced to have that religion. Confusing race with religion is even crazier. We should accommodate people who are physically different, but there is no reason to go out of our way to accommodate people with arbitrarily wacky beliefs and even less reason to go out of our way to accommodate oppression by people with arbitrarily wacky beliefs.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        The citation you posted said nothing about sanitation and was about “enforcing secularism”. Honestly, every religion is “wacky” to an outside observer.
        lern_too_spel 4y ago
        The pool rules are about sanitation and safety. The law allowing burkinis was removed because "it violates the principle of government neutrality toward religion" by being written to accommodate a single religion. The secularism rule basically says that the government should not make laws to accommodate one religion because then it would have to make laws to accommodate any and all religions, and there is no limit to how wacky a religion can be.
        scarface74 4y ago
        You can’t believe that. That’s just like saying that laws against “sodomy” weren’t discriminatory and only passed for the welfare of the state when they were clearly passed to criminalize non heterosexual consenting sex between adults.
        lern_too_spel 4y ago