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When they migrated Chinese iCloud data to domestic servers.

by smoldesu 4y ago

ghostpepper 4y ago
You're saying there was a silent update pushed to Chinese iphones? Can you provide more details or a source on that?
- smoldesu 4y ago
  It certainly wasn't silent, but that wasn't a condition for the parent's question. It was a well-documented (and much derided) decision though: https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-data https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-d...
  - astrange 4y ago
    You want them to break Chinese laws? Don't think they have popular support for that.
  - sbuk 4y ago
    Seeing as context is conspicuously missing, all cloud services offered by foreign business in China a required to be hosted and controlled by state owned providers. For instance, China has a separate Microsoft 365/Azure region hosted and controlled by 21Vianet. Apple still controls the encryption keys and there is no evidence that they have handed them over to the CCP, but it is largely assumed. Federighi has said that Apple will offer EE2E in China.
shuckles 4y ago
Why is data residency law cool and progressive when the EU does it and Big Tech complies, but Bad and Dystopian when China does the same? Tim Cook has said on the record that iCloud is the same regardless of data center.
- sofixa 4y ago
  Because the reasons for data sovereignty as legislated by the EU and countries within it, and China, are drastically different. Which one is the authoritarian regime which jails dissidents and which one has regulations giving consumers rights over their data? I'm fairly certain the motives for data sovereignty are wildly different.
  - shuckles 4y ago
    I’m not sure if you’re aware, but there are anti-encryption legislative proposals in the EU which are as ill-informed and scary as anything I’ve heard of in Mainland China. It’s very unclear to me if motives matter in this case.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      China has a reputation for hunting down religious minorities and political dissidents, Europe is known for a more moderate take on those matters. I think there's cause for concern when China demands domestic ownership of iCloud info.
      - shuckles 4y ago
        The technical proposals are equally odious, and Europe is, what, 30 years removed from all sorts of authoritarian hijinks? In any case, selective support for technical proposals based on broader political vibes is not a particularly inspiring stance.
        smoldesu 4y ago
        You seem to have missed my point entirely then. I'm in full support of Apple holding themselves accountable for the data they hold, but they don't. As a result, we rely on "broader political vibes" to read between the lines.
        shuckles 4y ago

When they migrated Chinese iCloud data to domestic servers.

ghostpepper 4y ago

You're saying there was a silent update pushed to Chinese iphones? Can you provide more details or a source on that?

smoldesu 4y ago
It certainly wasn't silent, but that wasn't a condition for the parent's question. It was a well-documented (and much derided) decision though: https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-data https://mashable.com/article/china-government-apple-icloud-d...
- astrange 4y ago
  You want them to break Chinese laws? Don't think they have popular support for that.
- sbuk 4y ago
  Seeing as context is conspicuously missing, all cloud services offered by foreign business in China a required to be hosted and controlled by state owned providers. For instance, China has a separate Microsoft 365/Azure region hosted and controlled by 21Vianet. Apple still controls the encryption keys and there is no evidence that they have handed them over to the CCP, but it is largely assumed. Federighi has said that Apple will offer EE2E in China.

shuckles 4y ago

Why is data residency law cool and progressive when the EU does it and Big Tech complies, but Bad and Dystopian when China does the same? Tim Cook has said on the record that iCloud is the same regardless of data center.

sofixa 4y ago
Because the reasons for data sovereignty as legislated by the EU and countries within it, and China, are drastically different. Which one is the authoritarian regime which jails dissidents and which one has regulations giving consumers rights over their data? I'm fairly certain the motives for data sovereignty are wildly different.
- shuckles 4y ago
  I’m not sure if you’re aware, but there are anti-encryption legislative proposals in the EU which are as ill-informed and scary as anything I’ve heard of in Mainland China. It’s very unclear to me if motives matter in this case.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    China has a reputation for hunting down religious minorities and political dissidents, Europe is known for a more moderate take on those matters. I think there's cause for concern when China demands domestic ownership of iCloud info.
    - shuckles 4y ago
      The technical proposals are equally odious, and Europe is, what, 30 years removed from all sorts of authoritarian hijinks? In any case, selective support for technical proposals based on broader political vibes is not a particularly inspiring stance.
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        You seem to have missed my point entirely then. I'm in full support of Apple holding themselves accountable for the data they hold, but they don't. As a result, we rely on "broader political vibes" to read between the lines.
        shuckles 4y ago