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Now I get what dang was saying about press release verbiage... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33886505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33886505

by cglong 4y ago

dmitryminkovsky 4y ago
Came to the comments to say this. Would appreciate a non-Apple source on this.
- latexr 4y ago
  Daring Fireball highlights some bits and provides commentary: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/12/07/advanced-data-protection-for-icloud https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/12/07/advanced-data-p...
baggy_trough 4y ago
I don't really understand the objection. The press release is very well written.
- haswell 4y ago
  But in some cases, that's the point. A well written press release will often gloss over potentially relevant/important details that a neutral source will not.
  - baggy_trough 4y ago
    That's what the HN comment thread is for!
    - haswell 4y ago
      The difference is that the HN comment thread will rarely have insights that a reporter can often provide after following up with their inside contacts. Edit: on reflection, I don’t agree with this and wrote this too hastily. I’d still prefer 3rd party by default and believe it’s often a better basis for a discussion.
      - baggy_trough 4y ago
        That is very much opposed to my experience.
      - crazygringo 4y ago
        My experience is the complete opposite. Reporters rarely add much unless they've got several days to do an analysis piece, which there are very few of. And is never the case for breaking news. HN threads regularly supply oodles of context and counterpoints you don't find in any articles anywhere. Which is one of the big reasons we come here, right?
        haswell 4y ago
        I probably wrote that too hastily, and will give you that many threads are indeed deeply insightful by themselves. I still believe that a 3rd party source that at least has a chance of being more objective than a company issued press release is the ideal basis on which to form a discussion.
dang 4y ago
In this case we've changed the URL from https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/12/apple-advances-user-security-with-powerful-new-data-protections/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/12/apple-advances-user-s... to the URL that several users pointed out has more details (and isn't a corporate press release).

Now I get what dang was saying about press release verbiage... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33886505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33886505

by cglong 4y ago

Now I get what dang was saying about press release verbiage... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33886505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33886505

dmitryminkovsky 4y ago

Came to the comments to say this. Would appreciate a non-Apple source on this.

latexr 4y ago
Daring Fireball highlights some bits and provides commentary: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/12/07/advanced-data-protection-for-icloud https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/12/07/advanced-data-p...

baggy_trough 4y ago

I don't really understand the objection. The press release is very well written.

haswell 4y ago
But in some cases, that's the point. A well written press release will often gloss over potentially relevant/important details that a neutral source will not.
- baggy_trough 4y ago
  That's what the HN comment thread is for!
  - haswell 4y ago
    The difference is that the HN comment thread will rarely have insights that a reporter can often provide after following up with their inside contacts. Edit: on reflection, I don’t agree with this and wrote this too hastily. I’d still prefer 3rd party by default and believe it’s often a better basis for a discussion.
    - baggy_trough 4y ago
      That is very much opposed to my experience.
    - crazygringo 4y ago
      My experience is the complete opposite. Reporters rarely add much unless they've got several days to do an analysis piece, which there are very few of. And is never the case for breaking news. HN threads regularly supply oodles of context and counterpoints you don't find in any articles anywhere. Which is one of the big reasons we come here, right?
      - haswell 4y ago
        I probably wrote that too hastily, and will give you that many threads are indeed deeply insightful by themselves. I still believe that a 3rd party source that at least has a chance of being more objective than a company issued press release is the ideal basis on which to form a discussion.

dang 4y ago

In this case we've changed the URL from https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/12/apple-advances-user-security-with-powerful-new-data-protections/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/12/apple-advances-user-s... to the URL that several users pointed out has more details (and isn't a corporate press release).