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That is a very one-sided view of adoption. It ties directly with the rise of mobile and internet in areas that wasn't able to grab IPv4 addresses in time. Such

by tjoff 4y ago

That is a very one-sided view of adoption. It ties directly with the rise of mobile and internet in areas that wasn't able to grab IPv4 addresses in time. Such as India. Not sure what France is doing though, maybe something right. So, from my perspective (which obviously is tied to my location) is that all computers have IPv4 (haven't heard (and I've asked) of a single consumer ISP that offers IPv6) but all mobile phones have IPv6. Whether people in general do most searches on mobile or PC is gonna change that graph dramatically, but won't explain what I would be interested in regarding ipv6 adoption. That is, how much of the world would be broken without IPv4? And for that, that graph isn't completely useless - but not too far off.

noipv6 4y ago
okay - how about a few other angles? https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/ https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/ - per-country, and within a country, per-asn eyeball statistics, collected from online ads - not just mobile! https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_country https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_country - per-country, albeit with a mobile-heavier bias (as you hint) https://www.akamai.com/internet-station/cyber-attacks/state-of-the-internet-report/ipv6-adoption-visualization https://www.akamai.com/internet-station/cyber-attacks/state-... - collected from their content delivery network - tends to show lower adoption than the other metrics i would point out that "all mobile phones have IPv6" isn't true globally, but it is the reality in some countries, yes.
- tjoff 4y ago
  Neat, very different results. But still looking at it from the wrong direction? That is, ipv6 for clients. But I'm more interested in servers, because that is what would affect me if I don't have IPv4. Such as the experiences described by OP in this thread.
  - noipv6 4y ago
    ipv6-only web sites are borderline nonexistant, because no one who needs to maintain a profit dares to cut off a revenue stream from legacy ip only users (yet). the most exhaustive list thus far is https://sites.ip-update.net/ https://sites.ip-update.net/ afaik
    - tjoff 4y ago
      I'm not asking for ipv6-only, but ipv4-only. Those are the ones blocking adoption for me, as an end user.
      - noipv6 4y ago
        derp yes https://whynoipv6.com/ https://whynoipv6.com/
      - keiyakins 4y ago
        How are they blocking? You're just behind a NAT64, which is no worse than NAT44, with the bonus of having actual connectivity on the IPv6 side.
- MrRadar 4y ago
  Ugh, Centurylink. Their networks, both DSL and Fiber, support IPv6 but you need to go into the router config and explicitly enable it which is why they show up as 0.5% IPv6 supported in that first link despite every other top-10 US ISP having at least 50%. I've enabled v6 on my home connections with them on both DSL and fiber and I've had absolutely no problems with it. I wish they would enable it by default with their consumer network equipment.
sp332 4y ago
Comcast added IPv6 ages ago. Time Warner and AT&T (FTTH, not just mobile internet) support it now as well.
babypuncher 4y ago
All the big cable and fiber internet providers I've worked with in the US support IPv6, even evil nasty ones like Comcast have supported it for a decade now.
- rekoil 4y ago
  Is it enabled by default on customer equipment?
  - FateOfNations 4y ago
    On their leased hardware, it is enabled from what I've seen. And if you are running your own modem and router, you will get IPv6 if you configure your setup to request it (via DHCP). They will even give you a /60 if your DHCP client asks for it.
    - rekoil 4y ago
      Weak, here in Sweden I get a /56 from my ISP. You'll run out of IP addresses long before I do!
    - keiyakins 4y ago
      Even? /60 should be the minimum, even home users usually have a couple subnets (guest networks for example, sometimes one for the router's WAN link) and you want the boundary to be on a nybble boundary
      - rekoil 4y ago
        A /60 network consists of 295,147,905,179,352,825,856 addresses. I think most users will probably be fine with that.
        Dagger2 4y ago
        This is v6; nobody counts individual IPs, because the answer is always "enough". A /60 is only 16 /64s (i.e. 16 subnets), and that's not always enough.
dieulot 4y ago
> Not sure what France is doing though, maybe something right. The telecom regulator (ARCEP) conditioned 5G bands on rolling out IPv6.
h1fra 4y ago
Not sure what France is doing because Im in Paris and I can tell ipv6 only router does not work. Maybe it's also about mobile.

by tjoff 4y ago

noipv6 4y ago

okay - how about a few other angles? https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/ https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/ - per-country, and within a country, per-asn eyeball statistics, collected from online ads - not just mobile! https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_country https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_country - per-country, albeit with a mobile-heavier bias (as you hint) https://www.akamai.com/internet-station/cyber-attacks/state-of-the-internet-report/ipv6-adoption-visualization https://www.akamai.com/internet-station/cyber-attacks/state-... - collected from their content delivery network - tends to show lower adoption than the other metrics i would point out that "all mobile phones have IPv6" isn't true globally, but it is the reality in some countries, yes.

tjoff 4y ago
Neat, very different results. But still looking at it from the wrong direction? That is, ipv6 for clients. But I'm more interested in servers, because that is what would affect me if I don't have IPv4. Such as the experiences described by OP in this thread.
- noipv6 4y ago
  ipv6-only web sites are borderline nonexistant, because no one who needs to maintain a profit dares to cut off a revenue stream from legacy ip only users (yet). the most exhaustive list thus far is https://sites.ip-update.net/ https://sites.ip-update.net/ afaik
  - tjoff 4y ago
    I'm not asking for ipv6-only, but ipv4-only. Those are the ones blocking adoption for me, as an end user.
    - noipv6 4y ago
      derp yes https://whynoipv6.com/ https://whynoipv6.com/
    - keiyakins 4y ago
      How are they blocking? You're just behind a NAT64, which is no worse than NAT44, with the bonus of having actual connectivity on the IPv6 side.
MrRadar 4y ago
Ugh, Centurylink. Their networks, both DSL and Fiber, support IPv6 but you need to go into the router config and explicitly enable it which is why they show up as 0.5% IPv6 supported in that first link despite every other top-10 US ISP having at least 50%. I've enabled v6 on my home connections with them on both DSL and fiber and I've had absolutely no problems with it. I wish they would enable it by default with their consumer network equipment.

sp332 4y ago

Comcast added IPv6 ages ago. Time Warner and AT&T (FTTH, not just mobile internet) support it now as well.

babypuncher 4y ago

All the big cable and fiber internet providers I've worked with in the US support IPv6, even evil nasty ones like Comcast have supported it for a decade now.

rekoil 4y ago
Is it enabled by default on customer equipment?
- FateOfNations 4y ago
  On their leased hardware, it is enabled from what I've seen. And if you are running your own modem and router, you will get IPv6 if you configure your setup to request it (via DHCP). They will even give you a /60 if your DHCP client asks for it.
  - rekoil 4y ago
    Weak, here in Sweden I get a /56 from my ISP. You'll run out of IP addresses long before I do!
  - keiyakins 4y ago
    Even? /60 should be the minimum, even home users usually have a couple subnets (guest networks for example, sometimes one for the router's WAN link) and you want the boundary to be on a nybble boundary
    - rekoil 4y ago
      A /60 network consists of 295,147,905,179,352,825,856 addresses. I think most users will probably be fine with that.
      - Dagger2 4y ago
        This is v6; nobody counts individual IPs, because the answer is always "enough". A /60 is only 16 /64s (i.e. 16 subnets), and that's not always enough.

dieulot 4y ago

> Not sure what France is doing though, maybe something right. The telecom regulator (ARCEP) conditioned 5G bands on rolling out IPv6.

h1fra 4y ago

Not sure what France is doing because Im in Paris and I can tell ipv6 only router does not work. Maybe it's also about mobile.