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> I get this perspective, and it's no judgment on you specifically for holding it I'll judge them for holding it. They want the benefits of a society, then the

> I get this perspective, and it's no judgment on you specifically for holding it I'll judge them for holding it. They want the benefits of a society, then they should support that society. Otherwise the message is that they're totally ok with having a slave labor class that drives their Uber for them and picks up their take out order for them, but fuck those people when they get sick.

dmitrygr 4y ago
Yes, let me clarify: Fuck everyone and everything, if it extends the life of my family member by even a day. Judge me all you want
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  Will do, because you're literally a sociopath.
  - dmitrygr 4y ago
    If you value lives of others above yours as you claim to, why haven't you donated all your organs? You could save a dozen lives.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
      That's a false dichotomy. The way you phrase it, you would gladly kill a million people to give your grandma one extra day of life.
      - dmitrygr 4y ago
        A million maybe not. But surely more than one. Now we’re just haggling over numbers.
        komali2 4y ago
        Normally one wouldn't "haggle lives" over hypothetical of how many you'd kill to save your grandma. Normal people would demand to know what kind of system is forcing them to sacrifice lives in order to save grandma, and why the solution isn't to instead dismantle that system.
        dmitrygr 4y ago
        Example: limited number of donor kidneys. What will you dismantle to solve this? Not everything can be solved by dismantling something. Some resources are truly limited.
        AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
        If you'd give a donor kidney to grandma so she could live one extra day vs someone who could live years with it, I'm comfortable thinking of you as a terrible person and part of the reason the world is as shit as it is.
- komali2 4y ago
  Do you realize that if you started taking shots at perceived threats from your window, because "fuck everyone and everything," society would firebomb your home and thus you would have brought harm to you and your family? Like, taking your supposedly family-first selfishness to its natural conclusion here. Keep prioritizing family above all else, and then apply some rationality and logic: Why do you think your family can exist in a vacuum? What philosophy are you holding that makes you believe that extending Pure Selfishness to include a couple more people thus makes it work? Like... you're saying "judge all you want" but we're here discussing ethics so... are you saying all families should operate on this ethical principal? What do you think society would look like then? Do you understand what you could justify under this ethical system? Literally anything lmao. If I kidnapped your children and pressed them into slave labor picking olives from my olive tree, I'd have increased the quality of life of my family a bit! This is ethical :) Madness, surely? What's your reasoning? Is this American Libertarianism?

dmitrygr 4y ago

Yes, let me clarify: Fuck everyone and everything, if it extends the life of my family member by even a day. Judge me all you want

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Will do, because you're literally a sociopath.
- dmitrygr 4y ago
  If you value lives of others above yours as you claim to, why haven't you donated all your organs? You could save a dozen lives.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
    That's a false dichotomy. The way you phrase it, you would gladly kill a million people to give your grandma one extra day of life.
    - dmitrygr 4y ago
      A million maybe not. But surely more than one. Now we’re just haggling over numbers.
      - komali2 4y ago
        Normally one wouldn't "haggle lives" over hypothetical of how many you'd kill to save your grandma. Normal people would demand to know what kind of system is forcing them to sacrifice lives in order to save grandma, and why the solution isn't to instead dismantle that system.
        dmitrygr 4y ago
        Example: limited number of donor kidneys. What will you dismantle to solve this? Not everything can be solved by dismantling something. Some resources are truly limited.
        AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
        If you'd give a donor kidney to grandma so she could live one extra day vs someone who could live years with it, I'm comfortable thinking of you as a terrible person and part of the reason the world is as shit as it is.
komali2 4y ago
Do you realize that if you started taking shots at perceived threats from your window, because "fuck everyone and everything," society would firebomb your home and thus you would have brought harm to you and your family? Like, taking your supposedly family-first selfishness to its natural conclusion here. Keep prioritizing family above all else, and then apply some rationality and logic: Why do you think your family can exist in a vacuum? What philosophy are you holding that makes you believe that extending Pure Selfishness to include a couple more people thus makes it work? Like... you're saying "judge all you want" but we're here discussing ethics so... are you saying all families should operate on this ethical principal? What do you think society would look like then? Do you understand what you could justify under this ethical system? Literally anything lmao. If I kidnapped your children and pressed them into slave labor picking olives from my olive tree, I'd have increased the quality of life of my family a bit! This is ethical :) Madness, surely? What's your reasoning? Is this American Libertarianism?