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> Which means if anyone says they take full responsibility, they’re either saying “I’m a big fat narcissist” or that they imprinted on narcissists, so all of th

> Which means if anyone says they take full responsibility, they’re either saying “I’m a big fat narcissist” or that they imprinted on narcissists, so all of their mentors were. Kind of a stretch, no?

hinkley 4y ago
Grandparent talks about how taking responsibility means nothing. That’s what I was referring to. When’s the last time you saw someone actually take responsibility? When it’s a teen pregnancy or injuring a pedestrian, we know what “taking responsibility” means. For layoffs there are no actions, no alteration of life paths. Even the money for severance really comes out of someone else’s pockets. It means nothing for the person saying it. Everyone else suffers the consequences, not the speaker. Claiming you’re to blame is the only penance. That only makes sense to people who won’t normally do that. Which is people who think in narcissistic personality traits are normal. IE narcissists and people they groomed.
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  - hinkley 4y ago
    It’s not unheard of, but I wouldn’t say common. “Not uncommon” is not the same as common. In any case their actions speak louder than words. They don’t need to say they take responsibility. They’ve shown that they have. In many cases they either don’t say it at all, or it doesn’t stick with us because the actions spoke louder than words. If it’s just words then the words are what we remember. That said, once you’re gone it’s someone else’s problem to clean up your mess. Bailing is also antisocial behavior. Not necessarily narcissistic, but not healthy.
- elmomle 4y ago
  To be clear, _saying_ that one takes full responsibility without further action means nothing. Responsibility for a bad thing means that you are ultimately to blame, so if you take responsibility, you should either step down or present a detailed action plan. Otherwise you're saying "I messed this up and I also don't know how to fix it but I don't intend to stop being the leader"--which is (ironically) a very irresponsible stance.
idontpost 4y ago
toss1 4y ago
>>Kind of a stretch, no? Nope. Not unless there are actions to backup the words. Some kind of actual sacrifice that helps actually cleanup the mess. E.g., do the CEO & Execs give back all bonuses and substantial salary for the past X years these bad decision were made, and keep working for $1/year until they are fixed? Do the CEO & Execs personally make calls using their own personal & professional capital to find new jobs for those they are firing? If not, it is just performative bullshirt.
- hinkley 4y ago
  Strangely Steve Jobs did in fact work for $1 a year. A couple others have as well. Might be why he’s one of the most highly regarded narcissists. He was smart enough to intellectually understand why was better off delaying his gratification to build morale, even if intuition and empathy didn’t tell him this instantly.

hinkley 4y ago

Grandparent talks about how taking responsibility means nothing. That’s what I was referring to. When’s the last time you saw someone actually take responsibility? When it’s a teen pregnancy or injuring a pedestrian, we know what “taking responsibility” means. For layoffs there are no actions, no alteration of life paths. Even the money for severance really comes out of someone else’s pockets. It means nothing for the person saying it. Everyone else suffers the consequences, not the speaker. Claiming you’re to blame is the only penance. That only makes sense to people who won’t normally do that. Which is people who think in narcissistic personality traits are normal. IE narcissists and people they groomed.

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- hinkley 4y ago
  It’s not unheard of, but I wouldn’t say common. “Not uncommon” is not the same as common. In any case their actions speak louder than words. They don’t need to say they take responsibility. They’ve shown that they have. In many cases they either don’t say it at all, or it doesn’t stick with us because the actions spoke louder than words. If it’s just words then the words are what we remember. That said, once you’re gone it’s someone else’s problem to clean up your mess. Bailing is also antisocial behavior. Not necessarily narcissistic, but not healthy.
elmomle 4y ago
To be clear, _saying_ that one takes full responsibility without further action means nothing. Responsibility for a bad thing means that you are ultimately to blame, so if you take responsibility, you should either step down or present a detailed action plan. Otherwise you're saying "I messed this up and I also don't know how to fix it but I don't intend to stop being the leader"--which is (ironically) a very irresponsible stance.

idontpost 4y ago

toss1 4y ago

>>Kind of a stretch, no? Nope. Not unless there are actions to backup the words. Some kind of actual sacrifice that helps actually cleanup the mess. E.g., do the CEO & Execs give back all bonuses and substantial salary for the past X years these bad decision were made, and keep working for $1/year until they are fixed? Do the CEO & Execs personally make calls using their own personal & professional capital to find new jobs for those they are firing? If not, it is just performative bullshirt.

hinkley 4y ago
Strangely Steve Jobs did in fact work for $1 a year. A couple others have as well. Might be why he’s one of the most highly regarded narcissists. He was smart enough to intellectually understand why was better off delaying his gratification to build morale, even if intuition and empathy didn’t tell him this instantly.