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Outside a college campus in California, nowhere else in the world do people ask for pronouns when they meet a person. It's not a normal human interaction.

by fleddr 4y ago

ClassyJacket 4y ago
- jacooper 4y ago
  Push back.
  - hooverd 4y ago
    I do find it funny when people go out of their way to use the wrong pronouns.
    - jacooper 4y ago
      And I find it funny that people get offended if I dont break language rules for them.
      - wizzwizz4 4y ago
        There's a fun game I like to play with people who talk about Language Rules: they tell me the construction they think is "ungrammatical", and I show them a well-respected author who uses that construction. Starting sentences with conjunctions, splitting infinitives, and the Oxford Comma Debate are easy mode; I can normally find an example in any given book. It's a bit harder with pronoun use – that's a per-work thing, not a per-paragraph one; and it's single words, so I can't cheat with a search engine – but I haven't lost yet. Want to play?
      - bitwize 4y ago
        Singular "they" predates singular "you".
throwaway346434 4y ago
People who use different pronouns are about 5% of americans: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/07/about-5-of-young-adults-in-the-u-s-say-their-gender-is-different-from-their-sex-assigned-at-birth/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/07/about-5-of-... Similar rates in other countries: https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2022/March/Sexual_identity_in_Australia https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_depart... You might not do it when you meet someone. But think about the sheer number of web forms, systems or standards that are about to have to go down a rabbit hole of whether they are modeling biological sex (medical systems), terms of address (people focused systems), etc. Would you turn away 5% of your customer base because you didnt add a third option (ie: i prefer another term) when capturing someone's details?
- YellOh 4y ago
  ...isn't 5% almost exactly the Lizardman Constant? (https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and...) [Edit: my point being that the percent of people with strong non-standard gender preferences might well be less than 5%, so I doubt you'd be turning 5% of your user base away.] Also, just to play devil's advocate, there are some people from the other side who could theoretically be annoyed by new pronouns as options and refuse to use your service because of it
sasattack 4y ago
just type 'I hate transpeople' it's much simpler

Outside a college campus in California, nowhere else in the world do people ask for pronouns when they meet a person. It's not a normal human interaction.

by fleddr 4y ago

Outside a college campus in California, nowhere else in the world do people ask for pronouns when they meet a person. It's not a normal human interaction.

ClassyJacket 4y ago

jacooper 4y ago
Push back.
- hooverd 4y ago
  I do find it funny when people go out of their way to use the wrong pronouns.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    And I find it funny that people get offended if I dont break language rules for them.
    - wizzwizz4 4y ago
      There's a fun game I like to play with people who talk about Language Rules: they tell me the construction they think is "ungrammatical", and I show them a well-respected author who uses that construction. Starting sentences with conjunctions, splitting infinitives, and the Oxford Comma Debate are easy mode; I can normally find an example in any given book. It's a bit harder with pronoun use – that's a per-work thing, not a per-paragraph one; and it's single words, so I can't cheat with a search engine – but I haven't lost yet. Want to play?
    - bitwize 4y ago
      Singular "they" predates singular "you".

throwaway346434 4y ago

People who use different pronouns are about 5% of americans: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/07/about-5-of-young-adults-in-the-u-s-say-their-gender-is-different-from-their-sex-assigned-at-birth/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/07/about-5-of-... Similar rates in other countries: https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2022/March/Sexual_identity_in_Australia https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_depart... You might not do it when you meet someone. But think about the sheer number of web forms, systems or standards that are about to have to go down a rabbit hole of whether they are modeling biological sex (medical systems), terms of address (people focused systems), etc. Would you turn away 5% of your customer base because you didnt add a third option (ie: i prefer another term) when capturing someone's details?

YellOh 4y ago
...isn't 5% almost exactly the Lizardman Constant? (https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and...) [Edit: my point being that the percent of people with strong non-standard gender preferences might well be less than 5%, so I doubt you'd be turning 5% of your user base away.] Also, just to play devil's advocate, there are some people from the other side who could theoretically be annoyed by new pronouns as options and refuse to use your service because of it

sasattack 4y ago

just type 'I hate transpeople' it's much simpler