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Let's imagine 1 civilization lasts 10 million years on a planet. Then it either blows itself out or moves away. Let's imagine it takes another 10 million years

Let's imagine 1 civilization lasts 10 million years on a planet. Then it either blows itself out or moves away. Let's imagine it takes another 10 million years for a new one to spawn out there. Within 100 million years we could get 5 different civilizations, each unaware of the other ones, unless some long-lasting (> 10 my) relic can be found. So, for two civilization to come in contact you need to be within the same space-time boundaries. Otherwise they could be either too far in time or too far in space. Provided that both civilizations can physically get in an effective contact.

lnxg33k1 4y ago
I’d say any form of life out there would have to go through some form of capitalism that would extinct them before they’d be able to be advanced enough to get in touch, but also I always had this stupid idea, that if to develop an intelligent form of life it took a inhabitable planet then why another intelligent form of life hasn’t developed here on earth other than human species?
- lgl 4y ago
  > I’d say any form of life out there would have to go through some form of capitalism This is anthropomorphizing at its best because we humans have largely decided that capitalist is the best "*ism". Alien intelligence could have basically unimaginable governments, societal norms, morals and/or motivations. > (...) then why another intelligent form of life hasn’t developed here on earth other than human species? The answer here is probably just evolution. Other intelligent species have developed on Earth thorough its history (e.g.: Neanderthals, Denisovans). They're not here anymore because we (Homo-Sapiens) killed them.
  - intrasight 4y ago
    Capitalism is the apogee of survival of the fittest which is the basis of evolution which, lacking plausible alternate routes, can be argued to be the basis of all life everywhere. So I accept the posts premise that "some form of capitalism" is required. Great apes have capitalism.
    - andrekandre 4y ago
      > Great apes have capitalism. in what way?
      - intrasight 4y ago
        Control of the "means of production". For grate apes, that would mean control of access to a fig tree.
    - lnxg33k1 4y ago
      Do you really think that capitalism is the apogee of survival of the fittest? I am not sure, I personally don’t think that survival of the fittest is something to look out for, but I think that capitalism awards mental issues like greed, psychopaths, or people with good intelligence but poor genetics? I think as a system it rewards what is useful for the system but not necessarily only the fittest and also think that probably our species not focusing on the fittest has made us make a lot of advancements in fields like medicine
      - intrasight 4y ago
        Advances in medicine are almost all driven by capitalism and thus survival of the fittest.
        lgl 4y ago
        Capitalism is definitely not the apogee of survival of the fittest from the "evolution theory" side of things, only in the "society we created for ourselves" side. Extrapolating from our current understanding of civilization and assuming that it will still be capitalism that rules a 1 million year old civilization is not (imho) a valid assumption. Even now, a mere fraction of that time, we're already kind of predicting a time where, if not for some type of semi-utopian Star Trek'ian society with stuff like basic income, the future of many many jobs (if we agree that jobs/labor are at the core of a capitalistic society) are already at risk with automation and AI.
- pentachoron 4y ago
  So, the traditional counter to this is that they have: the crows/ravens and parrots all have member species who are pretty smart, there's plenty of smart aquatic molluscs (squid, octopuses and cuttlefish), and then there's dolphins, etc. No, none of them have developed technology to the extent humanity has - but it's not inconceivable that they would, if humanity weren't already around to mess with them. They just need another hundred thousand to million years of the right evolutionary pressure...
  - intrasight 4y ago
    Today I learned that cephalopods are molluscs
  - TechBro8615 4y ago
    I've sometimes thought about how, if humanity goes extinct in the future, then some other intelligent species will replace us on earth. And that species would likely be descended from some pair of animals that is alive today. There could be a couple of elephants in Africa right now who are the ancestors of a future intelligent species on Earth!
- vt85 4y ago
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- andrekandre 4y ago
  > why another intelligent form of life hasn’t developed here on earth other than human species? do you mean outside of the many hominids that used to exist? i guess the earth has a few billion years left to find out...

lnxg33k1 4y ago

I’d say any form of life out there would have to go through some form of capitalism that would extinct them before they’d be able to be advanced enough to get in touch, but also I always had this stupid idea, that if to develop an intelligent form of life it took a inhabitable planet then why another intelligent form of life hasn’t developed here on earth other than human species?

lgl 4y ago
> I’d say any form of life out there would have to go through some form of capitalism This is anthropomorphizing at its best because we humans have largely decided that capitalist is the best "*ism". Alien intelligence could have basically unimaginable governments, societal norms, morals and/or motivations. > (...) then why another intelligent form of life hasn’t developed here on earth other than human species? The answer here is probably just evolution. Other intelligent species have developed on Earth thorough its history (e.g.: Neanderthals, Denisovans). They're not here anymore because we (Homo-Sapiens) killed them.
- intrasight 4y ago
  Capitalism is the apogee of survival of the fittest which is the basis of evolution which, lacking plausible alternate routes, can be argued to be the basis of all life everywhere. So I accept the posts premise that "some form of capitalism" is required. Great apes have capitalism.
  - andrekandre 4y ago
    > Great apes have capitalism. in what way?
    - intrasight 4y ago
      Control of the "means of production". For grate apes, that would mean control of access to a fig tree.
  - lnxg33k1 4y ago
    Do you really think that capitalism is the apogee of survival of the fittest? I am not sure, I personally don’t think that survival of the fittest is something to look out for, but I think that capitalism awards mental issues like greed, psychopaths, or people with good intelligence but poor genetics? I think as a system it rewards what is useful for the system but not necessarily only the fittest and also think that probably our species not focusing on the fittest has made us make a lot of advancements in fields like medicine
    - intrasight 4y ago
      Advances in medicine are almost all driven by capitalism and thus survival of the fittest.
      - lgl 4y ago
        Capitalism is definitely not the apogee of survival of the fittest from the "evolution theory" side of things, only in the "society we created for ourselves" side. Extrapolating from our current understanding of civilization and assuming that it will still be capitalism that rules a 1 million year old civilization is not (imho) a valid assumption. Even now, a mere fraction of that time, we're already kind of predicting a time where, if not for some type of semi-utopian Star Trek'ian society with stuff like basic income, the future of many many jobs (if we agree that jobs/labor are at the core of a capitalistic society) are already at risk with automation and AI.
pentachoron 4y ago
So, the traditional counter to this is that they have: the crows/ravens and parrots all have member species who are pretty smart, there's plenty of smart aquatic molluscs (squid, octopuses and cuttlefish), and then there's dolphins, etc. No, none of them have developed technology to the extent humanity has - but it's not inconceivable that they would, if humanity weren't already around to mess with them. They just need another hundred thousand to million years of the right evolutionary pressure...
- intrasight 4y ago
  Today I learned that cephalopods are molluscs
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  I've sometimes thought about how, if humanity goes extinct in the future, then some other intelligent species will replace us on earth. And that species would likely be descended from some pair of animals that is alive today. There could be a couple of elephants in Africa right now who are the ancestors of a future intelligent species on Earth!
vt85 4y ago
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andrekandre 4y ago
> why another intelligent form of life hasn’t developed here on earth other than human species? do you mean outside of the many hominids that used to exist? i guess the earth has a few billion years left to find out...