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with the mods: how do you start that process at all? the steam engine is the only (early) way to produce electricity, and the pump needs electric, and the stea

with the mods: how do you start that process at all? the steam engine is the only (early) way to produce electricity, and the pump needs electric, and the steam engine needss water (I tried googling for the mod but came up short)

FeepingCreature 4y ago
AAI Industries? [1] There's a separate building (Burner Turbine Generator) to generate electricity from combustion without needing water - though less efficiently. https://mods.factorio.com/mod/aai-industry https://mods.factorio.com/mod/aai-industry
Arnavion 4y ago
Like I said, there's a coal burner generator that burns coal directly into electricity. Its efficiency (energy produced per energy consumed) is less than the water boiler + steam engine, so you have an incentive to switch to steam once you've researched it. But you need to keep the burner generators around for re-bootstrapping.
- cesarb 4y ago
  Another step you forgot to mention is that, in both the base game and the modded (AAI Industry) game, there's a much less efficient kind of mining drill (burner mining drill) which is directly powered with coal (or other solid fuels), instead of electricity; when mining coal with it, you usually loop back its output to its input (through a burner inserter, another device powered directly with coal or other solid fuels instead of electricity), so the only thing you need to start up the whole system is a single piece of wood as the fuel for the farthest burner mining drill.
  - krallja 4y ago
    You can also mine coal by hand, so you don't even need wood. Which is convenient, if you start on a desert biome.
rcxdude 4y ago
There's a few different mods which do this and it depends on which one how they solve it. Some start you off with power in the first place in the form of wind turbines, and some give you an inefficient way to produce power from fuel which doesn't require water.

FeepingCreature 4y ago

AAI Industries? [1] There's a separate building (Burner Turbine Generator) to generate electricity from combustion without needing water - though less efficiently. https://mods.factorio.com/mod/aai-industry https://mods.factorio.com/mod/aai-industry

Arnavion 4y ago

Like I said, there's a coal burner generator that burns coal directly into electricity. Its efficiency (energy produced per energy consumed) is less than the water boiler + steam engine, so you have an incentive to switch to steam once you've researched it. But you need to keep the burner generators around for re-bootstrapping.

cesarb 4y ago
Another step you forgot to mention is that, in both the base game and the modded (AAI Industry) game, there's a much less efficient kind of mining drill (burner mining drill) which is directly powered with coal (or other solid fuels), instead of electricity; when mining coal with it, you usually loop back its output to its input (through a burner inserter, another device powered directly with coal or other solid fuels instead of electricity), so the only thing you need to start up the whole system is a single piece of wood as the fuel for the farthest burner mining drill.
- krallja 4y ago
  You can also mine coal by hand, so you don't even need wood. Which is convenient, if you start on a desert biome.

rcxdude 4y ago

There's a few different mods which do this and it depends on which one how they solve it. Some start you off with power in the first place in the form of wind turbines, and some give you an inefficient way to produce power from fuel which doesn't require water.