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Yes, I can defend calling them terrible: they're terrible because they're ugly and the keyboards suck. The internals seem fantastic, but the outsides are awful

Yes, I can defend calling them terrible: they're terrible because they're ugly and the keyboards suck. The internals seem fantastic, but the outsides are awful (except the touchpads, and also the screens are reportedly excellent but I'm not sure if that qualifies as "internals" or "external"). What we need is a computer with the internals of a modern M1 Macbook, but the aesthetics and keyboard of a Thinkpad of yesteryear, plus a magnesium chassis.

pprotas 4y ago
You are entitled to your opinion, but many people like how the macbooks look like. They also like the keyboard. Many people also dislike how ThinkPads look like, and dislike how the keyboard works.
- sbuk 4y ago
  I hate Lenovo keyboards. Too spongy, and key presses often don't register.
  - davidy123 4y ago
    Was that a Thinkpad keyboard, though? It's a different category. Though they have declined over the years as they went to shallower keys.
    - sbuk 4y ago
      P14s and X1, sorry, should have included that.
mort96 4y ago
I personally think they're good-looking, they diverge from Apple's traditional "ultra-sleek form over function" design style and enter the area of a somewhat industrial look IMO. They can be described as boring, but they're not exactly eye-sores. But this is clearly subjective. Personally, I don't buy computers based on looks, as long as they don't look like those gnarly "gaming"-branded products. The keyboards though? I've had a range of laptops, some Dells, some HPs, a 2021 MacBook Pro and a 2011 MacBook Pro, I would simply describe the keyboard as "meh". Most of the laptops O've had have been slightly less comfortable to type on, but they've all essentially done the job (with the exception of one Dell which had a truly terrible keyboard). No offence, but it looks like you feel the need to describe everything as either "terrible" or "amazing", the keyboards can't just be "not as good as they should", they have to "suck", the externals can't just be "boring", they have to be "awful". I think there's a version of what you're saying which people would agree with (or at least find unobjectionable), but as it is, nobody will agree with you that an objectively average laptop keyboard "sucks" or that an aesthetic lots of (most?) people like is "ugly".
jitix 4y ago
“Ugly” and “suck” are highly subjective and depend on people’s personal tastes. You could say that MacBooks are terrible for upgradeability but “keyboards suck” is pretty generic. Older MacBooks did have issues but Apple generally delivered on what most mac users wanted.
rowanG077 4y ago
With the exception of the notch I think they are in top end of good looking laptops. The ThinkPad Z13 beats it in terms if aesthetics. But still. The new style is miles and miles superior to the all to common wedge shape.
antihero 4y ago
What do you mean “reportedly”?
brailsafe 4y ago
I guess ThinkPads are pretty in the same way an old Quattro or Golf are, generously, but to me it's a real reach to call them prettier.

pprotas 4y ago

You are entitled to your opinion, but many people like how the macbooks look like. They also like the keyboard. Many people also dislike how ThinkPads look like, and dislike how the keyboard works.

sbuk 4y ago
I hate Lenovo keyboards. Too spongy, and key presses often don't register.
- davidy123 4y ago
  Was that a Thinkpad keyboard, though? It's a different category. Though they have declined over the years as they went to shallower keys.
  - sbuk 4y ago
    P14s and X1, sorry, should have included that.

mort96 4y ago

I personally think they're good-looking, they diverge from Apple's traditional "ultra-sleek form over function" design style and enter the area of a somewhat industrial look IMO. They can be described as boring, but they're not exactly eye-sores. But this is clearly subjective. Personally, I don't buy computers based on looks, as long as they don't look like those gnarly "gaming"-branded products. The keyboards though? I've had a range of laptops, some Dells, some HPs, a 2021 MacBook Pro and a 2011 MacBook Pro, I would simply describe the keyboard as "meh". Most of the laptops O've had have been slightly less comfortable to type on, but they've all essentially done the job (with the exception of one Dell which had a truly terrible keyboard). No offence, but it looks like you feel the need to describe everything as either "terrible" or "amazing", the keyboards can't just be "not as good as they should", they have to "suck", the externals can't just be "boring", they have to be "awful". I think there's a version of what you're saying which people would agree with (or at least find unobjectionable), but as it is, nobody will agree with you that an objectively average laptop keyboard "sucks" or that an aesthetic lots of (most?) people like is "ugly".

jitix 4y ago

“Ugly” and “suck” are highly subjective and depend on people’s personal tastes. You could say that MacBooks are terrible for upgradeability but “keyboards suck” is pretty generic. Older MacBooks did have issues but Apple generally delivered on what most mac users wanted.

rowanG077 4y ago

With the exception of the notch I think they are in top end of good looking laptops. The ThinkPad Z13 beats it in terms if aesthetics. But still. The new style is miles and miles superior to the all to common wedge shape.

antihero 4y ago

What do you mean “reportedly”?

brailsafe 4y ago

I guess ThinkPads are pretty in the same way an old Quattro or Golf are, generously, but to me it's a real reach to call them prettier.