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> A Boston native, Ms. Singer graduated from Brown University with a degree in comparative literature and has a master's degree in creative writing from Boston

> A Boston native, Ms. Singer graduated from Brown University with a degree in comparative literature and has a master's degree in creative writing from Boston University. > Ms. Huang is from New York and graduated from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill with a degree in statistics. I’m so darn tired of reading front page articles written largely by liberal arts folks that never worked in tech that never created anything in tech commenting on the fate of tech and the future of tech graduates and workers. Why do we even upvote these to the top of the orange site? Because it came from the New York Times? The people that know can’t write and the people that can write don’t know what the hell is actually going on imho.

TT482 4y ago
Tend to agree. NYT's tech coverage especially can be pretty dire, not just on stuff like this but on crypto, too. Credit to the author/editor, though, for mentioning jobs elsewhere in IT are still in demand, halfway down the story.
- zer0zzz 4y ago
  Totally. And when the coverage on tech is this way it practically degenerates into tabloid journalism. It’s not even useful journalism. It’s just clickbait entertainment for dorks that enjoy reading about the doom of tech.
  - TT482 4y ago
    That's the truth of it. The sad thing is, there's probably a bigger market among NYT readers for more nuanced tech coverage than editors assume. Instead, there's a hierarchy of publications where these stories filter down, from the trade mags and review journals through to places like Wired, then finally to the big papers/mags. By the time the story gets there, though, it's lost all flavour.
theGnuMe 4y ago
It is pretty poor form to attack the author. For example, one could say, I'm tired of the top comment on HN always being some rando who knows nothing about journalism and attacks both the publication and the writer in an effort to garner credibility.
- zer0zzz 4y ago
  The last sentence I wrote agrees with what you just said. The great writers are rarely good sources of tech commentary and even moderately decent tech contributors are rarely good writers. I’m not sure what you’re trying to start here but it’s not working. I called out the authors because they aren’t some big (or even small) tech contributors turned journalist. They might be great writers but they aren’t providing very good commentary on tech from a knowledgeable tech insider perspective. This journalism sucks pretty badly; it’s frankly bad for tech and it’s bad for journalism too. I wish I hadn’t called them out by name after some reflection based on your comment but I was frustrated with the article and it is what it is.
  - theGnuMe 4y ago
    >I’m not sure what you’re trying to start here but it’s not working. I am making a point about Hacker News comments by taking a meta perspective on your post. But let's focus on a specific criticism: what I took from the article is that the job market is shrinking and the evidence is that job offers and internships rescinded. We also know about broad layoffs. It would be interesting to hear your claims as a "knowledgeable tech insider" then a rant on journalism in general.
    - zer0zzz 4y ago
      > But let's focus on a specific criticism: what I took from the article is that the job market is shrinking and the evidence is that job offers and internships rescinded. We also know about broad layoffs. I’d argue this take isn’t a particularly insightful bit of tech journalism, and what I didn’t like about the article is that it relied on too much anecdotal evidence. There’s still a massive number of CS grads that are finding great paying great jobs. I felt it paints a dire picture based on a few interviews where in reality most CS grads even now probably have it better than grads of most other fields had it even in the “good times.” > It would be interesting to hear your claims as a "knowledgeable tech insider" then a rant on journalism in general. I have to start by saying it’s not fair or accurate to equate a dislike of the lacking quality of most tech journalism as a general rant on all journalism. That said, in the space I work in (that has a lot of systems, compilers and algo work involved) the hiring both for new grads and experienced folks is still quite strong. What I see on the ground is far less extreme than what the article says.
whoknew1122 4y ago
If the assumption is that liberal arts majors can't do or work in tech, please don't tell my manager. I'd hate to get fired from my tech role at AWS because of my degree. Journalists can research industries and talk about job trends without having worked in those jobs. Assuming, of course, the journalist hasn't worked in tech. Which is quite an assumption. My liberal arts background has helped me write blog posts, product documentation, and runbooks. It's also helped me thrive in a tech role at a FAANG. I'm really tired of this trope that liberal arts degrees are worthless and you can't work in tech unless you have a CS or EE degree.

TT482 4y ago

Tend to agree. NYT's tech coverage especially can be pretty dire, not just on stuff like this but on crypto, too. Credit to the author/editor, though, for mentioning jobs elsewhere in IT are still in demand, halfway down the story.

zer0zzz 4y ago
Totally. And when the coverage on tech is this way it practically degenerates into tabloid journalism. It’s not even useful journalism. It’s just clickbait entertainment for dorks that enjoy reading about the doom of tech.
- TT482 4y ago
  That's the truth of it. The sad thing is, there's probably a bigger market among NYT readers for more nuanced tech coverage than editors assume. Instead, there's a hierarchy of publications where these stories filter down, from the trade mags and review journals through to places like Wired, then finally to the big papers/mags. By the time the story gets there, though, it's lost all flavour.

theGnuMe 4y ago

It is pretty poor form to attack the author. For example, one could say, I'm tired of the top comment on HN always being some rando who knows nothing about journalism and attacks both the publication and the writer in an effort to garner credibility.

zer0zzz 4y ago
The last sentence I wrote agrees with what you just said. The great writers are rarely good sources of tech commentary and even moderately decent tech contributors are rarely good writers. I’m not sure what you’re trying to start here but it’s not working. I called out the authors because they aren’t some big (or even small) tech contributors turned journalist. They might be great writers but they aren’t providing very good commentary on tech from a knowledgeable tech insider perspective. This journalism sucks pretty badly; it’s frankly bad for tech and it’s bad for journalism too. I wish I hadn’t called them out by name after some reflection based on your comment but I was frustrated with the article and it is what it is.
- theGnuMe 4y ago
  >I’m not sure what you’re trying to start here but it’s not working. I am making a point about Hacker News comments by taking a meta perspective on your post. But let's focus on a specific criticism: what I took from the article is that the job market is shrinking and the evidence is that job offers and internships rescinded. We also know about broad layoffs. It would be interesting to hear your claims as a "knowledgeable tech insider" then a rant on journalism in general.
  - zer0zzz 4y ago
    > But let's focus on a specific criticism: what I took from the article is that the job market is shrinking and the evidence is that job offers and internships rescinded. We also know about broad layoffs. I’d argue this take isn’t a particularly insightful bit of tech journalism, and what I didn’t like about the article is that it relied on too much anecdotal evidence. There’s still a massive number of CS grads that are finding great paying great jobs. I felt it paints a dire picture based on a few interviews where in reality most CS grads even now probably have it better than grads of most other fields had it even in the “good times.” > It would be interesting to hear your claims as a "knowledgeable tech insider" then a rant on journalism in general. I have to start by saying it’s not fair or accurate to equate a dislike of the lacking quality of most tech journalism as a general rant on all journalism. That said, in the space I work in (that has a lot of systems, compilers and algo work involved) the hiring both for new grads and experienced folks is still quite strong. What I see on the ground is far less extreme than what the article says.

whoknew1122 4y ago

If the assumption is that liberal arts majors can't do or work in tech, please don't tell my manager. I'd hate to get fired from my tech role at AWS because of my degree. Journalists can research industries and talk about job trends without having worked in those jobs. Assuming, of course, the journalist hasn't worked in tech. Which is quite an assumption. My liberal arts background has helped me write blog posts, product documentation, and runbooks. It's also helped me thrive in a tech role at a FAANG. I'm really tired of this trope that liberal arts degrees are worthless and you can't work in tech unless you have a CS or EE degree.