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Congrats! There's not a whole lot left, is there? Audio via the speakers I think was the last one I was concerned about. Maybe brightness?

by aliqot 4y ago

dottedmag 4y ago
USB4, Thunderbolt, audio over Thunderbolt, DisplayPort, TouchID. I'm not sure mike and camera work. Also various accelerators: video decoder, video encoder, neural engine. Unless I'm mistaken all of it is in progress, but not yet ready.
- wtallis 4y ago
  > audio over Thunderbolt I'm not sure why this rates a separate mention, or even what exactly you're referring to with this one. Did you mean audio over DisplayPort or HDMI? I don't think there's any standard for audio over Thunderbolt like there is for audio over USB, and if there was then it would automatically start working when Thunderbolt itself is supported.
  - dottedmag 4y ago
    Yes, I mixed it up, sorry.
- deleted 4y ago
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worldsavior 4y ago
The important parts are working.
- bipson 4y ago
  There might be different definitions of "important stuff" between you and others...
  - worldsavior 4y ago
    The base components are working, thats what I meant.
    - toomim 4y ago
      That definition still varies between you and others. I personally consider sleep to be a "base component."
      - worldsavior 4y ago
        Base is a component that's needed to the other components, such as the GPU, or a driver for the screen, and similar. A sleep function isn't a base component, since it's rather a feature.
        toomim 4y ago
        That definition is obviously subjective, and depends on the user. Some users (like myself) don't need a GPU for anything, and thus a GPU is not "base." It's a frivolous addition for playing games. You can run a whole desktop environment on CPU rendering with no problem. But going to sleep is necessary for unplugging a laptop and taking it on a trip, which is a basic feature for many users, like myself, and a basic component of having a "laptop." Sleep is also a necessary for the "battery component" to hold a charge while it's unplugged and unused.
blackMysticCat 4y ago
Brightness is working already, as well as suspend. But there is a _lot_ of stuff to work out
- OJFord 4y ago
  Only on M1 devices, excluding the Mini & Studio: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support
fulafel 4y ago
Deep sleep, currently they have a s2idle state that eats a bit too much battery.
- toomim 4y ago
  This is a big one — when you close the lid on your laptop, the laptop stays on. When you open the lid again, the battery will be drained, because it stayed on the entire time.
  - weberer 4y ago
    Unfortunately, that's also a problem with like 90% of new computers out there.
    - jdwithit 4y ago
      This has been a problem as long as laptops have existed. I had a Dell in like 2006 that I would close and throw in my backpack at the end of the day. When I got home there was a 50:50 chance it would be about 5000 degrees with the fans blasting because it never actually went to sleep. The fact that this still routinely happens 15 years later despite the insane progress of technology is kind of hilarious.
      - Kuinox 4y ago
        This is a widespread recent problem due to Intel pushing for S2 sleep.
    - m_eiman 4y ago
      The remaining 10% are the mac, I suppose? It's one of the better things about macs, and has been working mostly flawlessly for at least 15 years, strange that the other platforms still struggle with it.
      - weberer 4y ago
        There are a few non-Mac vendors that still support S3 sleep mode. I think Thinkpads still work. The problem is that it requires vendors to support it in the BIOS. Windows no longer supports S3 sleep mode, so vendors aren't willing to add that feature just for Linux users. Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33846437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33846437
urthor 4y ago
A very, very, very, long list of features. There's actually a humongous list of peripherals, power states, and the speakers which don't work at all, to support.
OJFord 4y ago
https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support

Congrats! There's not a whole lot left, is there? Audio via the speakers I think was the last one I was concerned about. Maybe brightness?

by aliqot 4y ago

Congrats! There's not a whole lot left, is there? Audio via the speakers I think was the last one I was concerned about. Maybe brightness?

dottedmag 4y ago

USB4, Thunderbolt, audio over Thunderbolt, DisplayPort, TouchID. I'm not sure mike and camera work. Also various accelerators: video decoder, video encoder, neural engine. Unless I'm mistaken all of it is in progress, but not yet ready.

wtallis 4y ago
> audio over Thunderbolt I'm not sure why this rates a separate mention, or even what exactly you're referring to with this one. Did you mean audio over DisplayPort or HDMI? I don't think there's any standard for audio over Thunderbolt like there is for audio over USB, and if there was then it would automatically start working when Thunderbolt itself is supported.
- dottedmag 4y ago
  Yes, I mixed it up, sorry.
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worldsavior 4y ago

The important parts are working.

bipson 4y ago
There might be different definitions of "important stuff" between you and others...
- worldsavior 4y ago
  The base components are working, thats what I meant.
  - toomim 4y ago
    That definition still varies between you and others. I personally consider sleep to be a "base component."
    - worldsavior 4y ago
      Base is a component that's needed to the other components, such as the GPU, or a driver for the screen, and similar. A sleep function isn't a base component, since it's rather a feature.
      - toomim 4y ago
        That definition is obviously subjective, and depends on the user. Some users (like myself) don't need a GPU for anything, and thus a GPU is not "base." It's a frivolous addition for playing games. You can run a whole desktop environment on CPU rendering with no problem. But going to sleep is necessary for unplugging a laptop and taking it on a trip, which is a basic feature for many users, like myself, and a basic component of having a "laptop." Sleep is also a necessary for the "battery component" to hold a charge while it's unplugged and unused.

blackMysticCat 4y ago

Brightness is working already, as well as suspend. But there is a _lot_ of stuff to work out

OJFord 4y ago
Only on M1 devices, excluding the Mini & Studio: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support

fulafel 4y ago

Deep sleep, currently they have a s2idle state that eats a bit too much battery.

toomim 4y ago
This is a big one — when you close the lid on your laptop, the laptop stays on. When you open the lid again, the battery will be drained, because it stayed on the entire time.
- weberer 4y ago
  Unfortunately, that's also a problem with like 90% of new computers out there.
  - jdwithit 4y ago
    This has been a problem as long as laptops have existed. I had a Dell in like 2006 that I would close and throw in my backpack at the end of the day. When I got home there was a 50:50 chance it would be about 5000 degrees with the fans blasting because it never actually went to sleep. The fact that this still routinely happens 15 years later despite the insane progress of technology is kind of hilarious.
    - Kuinox 4y ago
      This is a widespread recent problem due to Intel pushing for S2 sleep.
  - m_eiman 4y ago
    The remaining 10% are the mac, I suppose? It's one of the better things about macs, and has been working mostly flawlessly for at least 15 years, strange that the other platforms still struggle with it.
    - weberer 4y ago
      There are a few non-Mac vendors that still support S3 sleep mode. I think Thinkpads still work. The problem is that it requires vendors to support it in the BIOS. Windows no longer supports S3 sleep mode, so vendors aren't willing to add that feature just for Linux users. Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33846437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33846437

urthor 4y ago

A very, very, very, long list of features. There's actually a humongous list of peripherals, power states, and the speakers which don't work at all, to support.

OJFord 4y ago

https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support