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How Monsanto Sold the World on a Toxic Pesticide [pdf]

40 points by miguelazo 4y ago

jqpabc123 4y ago
Roundup is not a "pesticide" --- it is a "herbicide". It is designed to kill unwanted plants, not bugs.
- egberts1 4y ago
  Spoken like a true defender of Monsanto. What it was designed for often has a few unintended consequences like many products do, chemically, electrically, or mechanically.
  - jqpabc123 4y ago
    Spoken like a true defender of technical incompetence. Erroneous labeling only distracts from any further argument. When the author clearly doesn't even know/understand the difference between "pesticide" and "herbicide", why trust/bother with anything further they have to say? Monsanto may well be a disciple of Satan but a proven lack of basic insight on the issue doesn't help validate the opinion.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - dugword 4y ago
      Herbicide is a subclass of pesticide. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide > Pesticides are substances that are meant to control pests.[1] This includes herbicide, insecticide, nematicide, molluscicide, piscicide, avicide, rodenticide, bactericide, insect repellent, animal repellent, microbicide, fungicide, and lampricide.
      - jqpabc123 4y ago
        I stand corrected. Still, "herbicide" is a more specific and accurate description of Roundup.
        egberts1 4y ago
        You are still intentionally ignoring any and all spillover effects of an herbicide into other types of -cides.
    - thulle 4y ago
      Disregarding a 100 page report because it uses "pesticide" as the general term containing both actual pesticides and herbicides seem disingenuous.
      - annadiru 4y ago
        Page volume in scientific reporting is not at all an indicator of quality or validity. Disclaimer: I haven't read the report yet. Just sayin'
        egberts1 4y ago
        Agreed but the conciseness of volume evidence body despite "misuse" of the -icde suffix should not discount all of the article.
- zug_zug 4y ago
  Herbicides are one type of pesticide. Pesticide is the umbrella term.
- tom_fordon 4y ago
  TIL herbicide is a type of pesticide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide Pesticide is used to kill unwanted pests, including plants and insects. Herbicide is used to kill unwanted plants. Insecticide is used to kill unwanted insects.
pha392 4y ago
The patent is already expired. They are attacking their own product because it is no longer profitable.
manv1 4y ago
A non-toxic pesticide would be pretty pointless.
- more_corn 4y ago
  The key is that we typically think of pesticides as “poisonous to insects (or weeds) but not to people” Perhaps that’s a pipe dream. If it is we need to drastically reassess our use of pesticides. The beginning of that conversation is to admit that a very common pesticide has been found to be harmful and cancerous in humans and we need to stop using it.
  - Eleison23 4y ago

40 points by miguelazo 4y ago

jqpabc123 4y ago

Roundup is not a "pesticide" --- it is a "herbicide". It is designed to kill unwanted plants, not bugs.

egberts1 4y ago
Spoken like a true defender of Monsanto. What it was designed for often has a few unintended consequences like many products do, chemically, electrically, or mechanically.
- jqpabc123 4y ago
  Spoken like a true defender of technical incompetence. Erroneous labeling only distracts from any further argument. When the author clearly doesn't even know/understand the difference between "pesticide" and "herbicide", why trust/bother with anything further they have to say? Monsanto may well be a disciple of Satan but a proven lack of basic insight on the issue doesn't help validate the opinion.
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  - dugword 4y ago
    Herbicide is a subclass of pesticide. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide > Pesticides are substances that are meant to control pests.[1] This includes herbicide, insecticide, nematicide, molluscicide, piscicide, avicide, rodenticide, bactericide, insect repellent, animal repellent, microbicide, fungicide, and lampricide.
    - jqpabc123 4y ago
      I stand corrected. Still, "herbicide" is a more specific and accurate description of Roundup.
      - egberts1 4y ago
        You are still intentionally ignoring any and all spillover effects of an herbicide into other types of -cides.
  - thulle 4y ago
    Disregarding a 100 page report because it uses "pesticide" as the general term containing both actual pesticides and herbicides seem disingenuous.
    - annadiru 4y ago
      Page volume in scientific reporting is not at all an indicator of quality or validity. Disclaimer: I haven't read the report yet. Just sayin'
      - egberts1 4y ago
        Agreed but the conciseness of volume evidence body despite "misuse" of the -icde suffix should not discount all of the article.
zug_zug 4y ago
Herbicides are one type of pesticide. Pesticide is the umbrella term.
tom_fordon 4y ago
TIL herbicide is a type of pesticide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide Pesticide is used to kill unwanted pests, including plants and insects. Herbicide is used to kill unwanted plants. Insecticide is used to kill unwanted insects.

pha392 4y ago

The patent is already expired. They are attacking their own product because it is no longer profitable.

manv1 4y ago

A non-toxic pesticide would be pretty pointless.

more_corn 4y ago
The key is that we typically think of pesticides as “poisonous to insects (or weeds) but not to people” Perhaps that’s a pipe dream. If it is we need to drastically reassess our use of pesticides. The beginning of that conversation is to admit that a very common pesticide has been found to be harmful and cancerous in humans and we need to stop using it.
- Eleison23 4y ago