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can't wait till these chassis start getting the RV treatment

by cagenut 4y ago

winkeyless 4y ago
More space than the VW ID Buzz. Interesting… Hope the battery won’t catch fire cuz someone will be sleeping in it
- zaroth 4y ago
  Do you say “hope the gas tank won’t explode” anytime someone sleeps in an ICE car? Are you aware that battery igniting while car parked is exceedingly rare?
  - colordrops 4y ago
    Do you always convey ideas using condescending questions? I make this mistake a lot, so don't feel too offended.
    - theshrike79 4y ago
      Only when the presented premise is clearly stupid and based on 100% faulty data. "OMG what about battery fires!" is so worn out in the EV discussions I don't bother to be nice when rebutting it.
      - Thlom 4y ago
        Hehe, there was a fire in a parking garage next to an airport in Norway a few years ago which basically destroyed the garage and all cars inside. People were really quick to blame it on an EV igniting and raving about how EV's should be banned from parking garages and on and on for days until investigation showed the fire started in a diesel car. (Granted, the many EV's in there made the fire much harder for fire fighters to put out)
        theshrike79 4y ago
        Same with the story of a city in Germany banning EVs from parking garages because there was a fire in one. The fire was started by an ICE car :D
    - zaroth 4y ago
      I do not! But I feel like we should not be kind to misinformation and false innuendo.
  - tjoff 4y ago
    Are you aware that a car parked isn't at all the same scenario? It is not like remodeling an RV is going to affect the gas tank. But it sure will make a difference to the battery usage. A gas tank doesn't age in the same way as a battery either, and we don't have as much experience with the kind of battery packs used in cars either (and they differ wildly between models).
  - googlryas 4y ago
    Probably less rare than a fuel tank spontaneously exploding. Has an ICE car manufacturer ever recalled a vehicle and said don't park it inside until you get it recalled?
    - vel0city 4y ago
      All the time. I've owned several cars which have had "don't park it inside" kind of recalls. All of them ICE cars. I've had a neighbor's house burn down because of a "don't park in your garage" issue that led to a recall; once again an ICE car not an EV.
    - gambiting 4y ago
      Yes actually - it resulted in an absolutely bonkers story too: https://jalopnik.com/how-one-suv-fire-destroyed-45-million-in-cars-damaged-1826086012 https://jalopnik.com/how-one-suv-fire-destroyed-45-million-i...
650REDHAIR 4y ago
I have an ICE class B and I keep looking at EV trucks for my next rig, but I just want a van, man! Very excited about these.
dclowd9901 4y ago
I’ve built two camper vans, but my daughter is begging me to build one with these vans. I told her as soon as they go on surplus lol I think it might be really tricky though. Ostensibly the battery warehouse is in the base of the van, so that would definitely make routing utilities like waste water tricky. And not sure how you’d have a heater; electric heat would decimate an electric system and there’s no liquid fuel to speak of. Remember: it’s only worthwhile if it can get you home too. I guess if you’re doing on-grid only camping it would be fine, but I usually build for a feasible 3-day off grid.
- dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
  > And not sure how you’d have a heater Install a natural gas vessel. Heating, cooking and good for a generator too.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    Fixed nat-gas containers or other nat-gas installation can be a PITA though. Here in Germany, anything permanently installed means you have to do extra checkups every two years.
- TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
  Diesel heater, couple hundred bucks off eBay. They come with a tank, or build your own to suit the space.
- doctor_eval 4y ago
  Re heater, wouldn’t you use a heat pump? As a percentage of the energy needed to run a heavy van, heating the interior space with a heat pump would be pretty minimal.
theshrike79 4y ago
The VW California has been a huge success for ages. When they do an ID.Buzz California, it's going to be fully sold out for _years_. EV is the perfect platform for a camper van, you can get so much complexity out of the system by having electric everything.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > EV is the perfect platform for a camper van, you can get so much complexity out of the system by having electric everything. Only if you're happy with being locked to camping lots and RV parks providing 230V outlets. Anyone willing to go off-road/wild camping however... when you're going far out of civilization (which is easy enough to do in Europe and even easier in the US), the last thing you need is your battery dying right when you can't afford it. For an ICE based camper, everyone I know just puts a jerry can or two in it which is almost always enough to get you to a gas station or to keep you supplied with fuel to keep warm over night, but that's not possible with an EV camper.
  - theshrike79 4y ago
    The smart choice is to have a separate generator to charge the batteries, maybe offset some of the electricity use with solar panels. But it all depends on what you use the RV for. If you want to go to the Appalachians for weeks without human contact, go with the liquid fuel option and bring a lot of it with you. Maybe a small solar panel for electronics. For a random camper like me with access to a pretty good EV charging network the lack of electricity won't be a problem. the ID.Buzz has a 77kWh battery that can easily run everything I need for multiple days without needing to charge.
BonoboIO 4y ago
Maybe they will get stolen like my Amazon packages :D

can't wait till these chassis start getting the RV treatment

winkeyless 4y ago

More space than the VW ID Buzz. Interesting… Hope the battery won’t catch fire cuz someone will be sleeping in it

zaroth 4y ago
Do you say “hope the gas tank won’t explode” anytime someone sleeps in an ICE car? Are you aware that battery igniting while car parked is exceedingly rare?
- colordrops 4y ago
  Do you always convey ideas using condescending questions? I make this mistake a lot, so don't feel too offended.
  - theshrike79 4y ago
    Only when the presented premise is clearly stupid and based on 100% faulty data. "OMG what about battery fires!" is so worn out in the EV discussions I don't bother to be nice when rebutting it.
    - Thlom 4y ago
      Hehe, there was a fire in a parking garage next to an airport in Norway a few years ago which basically destroyed the garage and all cars inside. People were really quick to blame it on an EV igniting and raving about how EV's should be banned from parking garages and on and on for days until investigation showed the fire started in a diesel car. (Granted, the many EV's in there made the fire much harder for fire fighters to put out)
      - theshrike79 4y ago
        Same with the story of a city in Germany banning EVs from parking garages because there was a fire in one. The fire was started by an ICE car :D
  - zaroth 4y ago
    I do not! But I feel like we should not be kind to misinformation and false innuendo.
- tjoff 4y ago
  Are you aware that a car parked isn't at all the same scenario? It is not like remodeling an RV is going to affect the gas tank. But it sure will make a difference to the battery usage. A gas tank doesn't age in the same way as a battery either, and we don't have as much experience with the kind of battery packs used in cars either (and they differ wildly between models).
- googlryas 4y ago
  Probably less rare than a fuel tank spontaneously exploding. Has an ICE car manufacturer ever recalled a vehicle and said don't park it inside until you get it recalled?
  - vel0city 4y ago
    All the time. I've owned several cars which have had "don't park it inside" kind of recalls. All of them ICE cars. I've had a neighbor's house burn down because of a "don't park in your garage" issue that led to a recall; once again an ICE car not an EV.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Yes actually - it resulted in an absolutely bonkers story too: https://jalopnik.com/how-one-suv-fire-destroyed-45-million-in-cars-damaged-1826086012 https://jalopnik.com/how-one-suv-fire-destroyed-45-million-i...

650REDHAIR 4y ago

I have an ICE class B and I keep looking at EV trucks for my next rig, but I just want a van, man! Very excited about these.

dclowd9901 4y ago

I’ve built two camper vans, but my daughter is begging me to build one with these vans. I told her as soon as they go on surplus lol I think it might be really tricky though. Ostensibly the battery warehouse is in the base of the van, so that would definitely make routing utilities like waste water tricky. And not sure how you’d have a heater; electric heat would decimate an electric system and there’s no liquid fuel to speak of. Remember: it’s only worthwhile if it can get you home too. I guess if you’re doing on-grid only camping it would be fine, but I usually build for a feasible 3-day off grid.

dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
> And not sure how you’d have a heater Install a natural gas vessel. Heating, cooking and good for a generator too.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  Fixed nat-gas containers or other nat-gas installation can be a PITA though. Here in Germany, anything permanently installed means you have to do extra checkups every two years.
TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
Diesel heater, couple hundred bucks off eBay. They come with a tank, or build your own to suit the space.
doctor_eval 4y ago
Re heater, wouldn’t you use a heat pump? As a percentage of the energy needed to run a heavy van, heating the interior space with a heat pump would be pretty minimal.

theshrike79 4y ago

The VW California has been a huge success for ages. When they do an ID.Buzz California, it's going to be fully sold out for _years_. EV is the perfect platform for a camper van, you can get so much complexity out of the system by having electric everything.

mschuster91 4y ago
> EV is the perfect platform for a camper van, you can get so much complexity out of the system by having electric everything. Only if you're happy with being locked to camping lots and RV parks providing 230V outlets. Anyone willing to go off-road/wild camping however... when you're going far out of civilization (which is easy enough to do in Europe and even easier in the US), the last thing you need is your battery dying right when you can't afford it. For an ICE based camper, everyone I know just puts a jerry can or two in it which is almost always enough to get you to a gas station or to keep you supplied with fuel to keep warm over night, but that's not possible with an EV camper.
- theshrike79 4y ago
  The smart choice is to have a separate generator to charge the batteries, maybe offset some of the electricity use with solar panels. But it all depends on what you use the RV for. If you want to go to the Appalachians for weeks without human contact, go with the liquid fuel option and bring a lot of it with you. Maybe a small solar panel for electronics. For a random camper like me with access to a pretty good EV charging network the lack of electricity won't be a problem. the ID.Buzz has a 77kWh battery that can easily run everything I need for multiple days without needing to charge.

BonoboIO 4y ago

Maybe they will get stolen like my Amazon packages :D