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>“‘Can I meet you? Can I FaceTime you?’” also >even after he convinced them that they had been scammed, they sometimes wanted to strike up a friendship with h

>“‘Can I meet you? Can I FaceTime you?’” also >even after he convinced them that they had been scammed, they sometimes wanted to strike up a friendship with him. “I can’t even tell you. I would spend an hour on the phone sometimes talking to these women So: "Sure. Here's my 900 number".

quickthrower2 4y ago
In a similar vein to how it is now normal to give personal pronouns, even if you are he/she, we should normalise opsec when online dating, even if you feel it is not needed: if everyone mentions “can I check you are not a scammer and goes through a verification call”, and it is normal it wont be seen as rude or breaking the romance”. Same should be done for a lot of interactions, such as hiring, employee to employee requests involving money, bank accounts or authorisation, and so on. With deep fakes and AI scamming will get more and more sophisticated and at scale.
- MikePlacid 4y ago
  > it is now normal to give personal pronouns, even if you are he/she Eagerly waiting for this “new normal” to come to Russia. You see, we have 6 forms of each pronoun. Mine’s are: “он / его / ему / его / им / нём”. Please, remember and use each one correctly. Like: You blame его. But: you are speaking about нём. Not a single mistake, please.
  - wbazant 4y ago
    In English, do you prefer he or she? And do you prefer that one to 'they'?
    - MikePlacid 4y ago
      Why on Earth would I care? I can be referenced as "he" or "she" only if you are talking about me to somebody else, right? It's not my business to even listen to such talk. But if you insist - could you please refer to me by Russian pronouns I've just listed. Is it really that much harder to learn 6 short foreign words than some "English" ones like "zee", "vi" and "vim"? But again, why stop at short ones? If you insist that my pronouns are there for my comfort (but not for your convenience while speaking about me) - could you please refer to me as "they-masters-of-Universe-and-true-electors-of-American-presidents"? So that your listener will know that my gender is "Russian male". It will give me a huge comfort.
      - SuoDuanDao 4y ago
        My preferred pronouns are 'latefordinner' and 'delayedfordinner'. It's a reference to a very old English joke going 'you can call me almost anything you want - but don't call me late for dinner'. My way of saying the inquirer can even call me late for dinner if they want. I realize this is serious business to some people, but I also want to signal that it is very much not serious business to me.
      - wbazant 4y ago
        Well, sometimes your identity is referenced in a group setting while you're part of the group, say when a manager praises your work in a standup: "MikePlacid did a really good job with this feature, you should all be like _". I'm guessing people know which pronoun to use in those situations when talking about you, probably because you regularly broadcast your identity as a Russian male. The English-speaking world has largely settled on singular 'they' as a catch-all for the small minority that prefers neither he or she. Practically it looks like an extra drop-down option on official forms, and when you meet someone who looks like they don't try to go with a stereotype of any particular gender you can optionally ask them what pronoun they go by. Those made-up pronouns are a fringe thing, some internet communities will make them into a game. On the other hand, if we met and you preferred we switched to Russian, I would totally try to accommodate that!
- MikePlacid 4y ago
  I am not sure why I have simplified your task in my previous post. It seems you’ve agreed that pronouns exist to make me comfortable when you are speaking about me. Actually they exist to provide you some linguistic comfort when speaking about me. But if you are willing to do some extra work to provide me some imaginary comfort that I do not actually need - who am to stop you? So, the actual table of my pronouns looks like this: И (who?) он Р (whose?) его, него Д (to whom?) ему, нему В (whom to blame?) его, него Т (by whom?) им, ним П (about whom?) нём There are 2 phonetical variants of some pronouns. In order to decide which one to use you should translate your sentence into Russian, check phonetical surroundings and use the proper phonetical variant of the proper grammar form of the pronoun. So: Give it to ему. But: Go to нему. If people will refuse to do this work of mental translation to Russian and back for my pleasure - do you think we should regulate it and enforce by law?
- differt 4y ago

quickthrower2 4y ago

In a similar vein to how it is now normal to give personal pronouns, even if you are he/she, we should normalise opsec when online dating, even if you feel it is not needed: if everyone mentions “can I check you are not a scammer and goes through a verification call”, and it is normal it wont be seen as rude or breaking the romance”. Same should be done for a lot of interactions, such as hiring, employee to employee requests involving money, bank accounts or authorisation, and so on. With deep fakes and AI scamming will get more and more sophisticated and at scale.

MikePlacid 4y ago
> it is now normal to give personal pronouns, even if you are he/she Eagerly waiting for this “new normal” to come to Russia. You see, we have 6 forms of each pronoun. Mine’s are: “он / его / ему / его / им / нём”. Please, remember and use each one correctly. Like: You blame его. But: you are speaking about нём. Not a single mistake, please.
- wbazant 4y ago
  In English, do you prefer he or she? And do you prefer that one to 'they'?
  - MikePlacid 4y ago
    Why on Earth would I care? I can be referenced as "he" or "she" only if you are talking about me to somebody else, right? It's not my business to even listen to such talk. But if you insist - could you please refer to me by Russian pronouns I've just listed. Is it really that much harder to learn 6 short foreign words than some "English" ones like "zee", "vi" and "vim"? But again, why stop at short ones? If you insist that my pronouns are there for my comfort (but not for your convenience while speaking about me) - could you please refer to me as "they-masters-of-Universe-and-true-electors-of-American-presidents"? So that your listener will know that my gender is "Russian male". It will give me a huge comfort.
    - SuoDuanDao 4y ago
      My preferred pronouns are 'latefordinner' and 'delayedfordinner'. It's a reference to a very old English joke going 'you can call me almost anything you want - but don't call me late for dinner'. My way of saying the inquirer can even call me late for dinner if they want. I realize this is serious business to some people, but I also want to signal that it is very much not serious business to me.
    - wbazant 4y ago
      Well, sometimes your identity is referenced in a group setting while you're part of the group, say when a manager praises your work in a standup: "MikePlacid did a really good job with this feature, you should all be like _". I'm guessing people know which pronoun to use in those situations when talking about you, probably because you regularly broadcast your identity as a Russian male. The English-speaking world has largely settled on singular 'they' as a catch-all for the small minority that prefers neither he or she. Practically it looks like an extra drop-down option on official forms, and when you meet someone who looks like they don't try to go with a stereotype of any particular gender you can optionally ask them what pronoun they go by. Those made-up pronouns are a fringe thing, some internet communities will make them into a game. On the other hand, if we met and you preferred we switched to Russian, I would totally try to accommodate that!
MikePlacid 4y ago
I am not sure why I have simplified your task in my previous post. It seems you’ve agreed that pronouns exist to make me comfortable when you are speaking about me. Actually they exist to provide you some linguistic comfort when speaking about me. But if you are willing to do some extra work to provide me some imaginary comfort that I do not actually need - who am to stop you? So, the actual table of my pronouns looks like this: И (who?) он Р (whose?) его, него Д (to whom?) ему, нему В (whom to blame?) его, него Т (by whom?) им, ним П (about whom?) нём There are 2 phonetical variants of some pronouns. In order to decide which one to use you should translate your sentence into Russian, check phonetical surroundings and use the proper phonetical variant of the proper grammar form of the pronoun. So: Give it to ему. But: Go to нему. If people will refuse to do this work of mental translation to Russian and back for my pleasure - do you think we should regulate it and enforce by law?
differt 4y ago