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You don't need to control for that. We're looking at total outcomes, not individual points; it doesn't matter how it reaches the effect. Here's a proposition:

You don't need to control for that. We're looking at total outcomes, not individual points; it doesn't matter how it reaches the effect. Here's a proposition: Learning to make compromises and achieve partnership with your partner and growing into it is the behavior most associated with happiness of couples. Having removed the obvious necessity of it, we've created a society with much more focus on individual wants and needs that gains less from cooperation, resulting in lower average outcomes. Absolutely, the stigma on divorce was once too high, resulting in people staying in abusive relationships too long. But people still stay in abusive relationships. We can recognize that committed partnerships are healthy and encourage them without saying that any one individual is at fault if a relationship didn't work out.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
That's a very nice just-so story, no doubt carefully constructed to fit your world view. Now, a vague reference to "studies" and a biased just-so story might convince you but I'm far from convinced by this.
autoexec 4y ago
> We can recognize that committed partnerships are healthy and encourage them without saying that any one individual is at fault if a relationship didn't work out. Do we really need to encourage happy, healthy, and successful committed partnerships? Don't most people desire that for themselves? We should probably avoid outright discouraging them, but I suspect that most people are wanting a good, happy, loving, relationship and that if they divorce it's because they didn't have one. I really don't think that it's simply a matter of most people seeing divorce as being so easy and consequence free that there's no value in putting in the effort to work things out with their spouses either. Especially not when children are involved.
- GauntletWizard 4y ago
  Not encourage in the "rah rah, you should want this" sense, but in the "here's how to achieve this" sense - not running away is kinda key. And it's become impossible to call out bad advice in the current climate. You can call out good advice as much as you want, because it's common wisdom, but any criticism of things that have been historically looked down upon as terrible ideas because they are is "punching down".

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago

That's a very nice just-so story, no doubt carefully constructed to fit your world view. Now, a vague reference to "studies" and a biased just-so story might convince you but I'm far from convinced by this.

autoexec 4y ago

> We can recognize that committed partnerships are healthy and encourage them without saying that any one individual is at fault if a relationship didn't work out. Do we really need to encourage happy, healthy, and successful committed partnerships? Don't most people desire that for themselves? We should probably avoid outright discouraging them, but I suspect that most people are wanting a good, happy, loving, relationship and that if they divorce it's because they didn't have one. I really don't think that it's simply a matter of most people seeing divorce as being so easy and consequence free that there's no value in putting in the effort to work things out with their spouses either. Especially not when children are involved.

GauntletWizard 4y ago
Not encourage in the "rah rah, you should want this" sense, but in the "here's how to achieve this" sense - not running away is kinda key. And it's become impossible to call out bad advice in the current climate. You can call out good advice as much as you want, because it's common wisdom, but any criticism of things that have been historically looked down upon as terrible ideas because they are is "punching down".