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I don't think I know enough about it to offer a meaningful opinion. It appears to be an offering that is employee sponsored so without understanding the costs t

I don't think I know enough about it to offer a meaningful opinion. It appears to be an offering that is employee sponsored so without understanding the costs to the employer it is difficult to compare it with anything. A point that I don't think is all that well understood is that some employer funded plans, while administered by someone like UHC, it's actually the employer that has a large say who, what and how much something is covered. Speaking for myself, I would want to consider what my out of pocket cost to see a top specialist of my choosing in my area would be. Also personally I am not a fan of HSA plans.

otoburb 4y ago
For families that frequent HN, wouldn't HSAs be the superior option since this demographic is more likely (for better or worse) to have higher discretionary income to weather the up-front HSA costs until hitting the family deductible limit, after which point incremental medical costs are (mostly) covered by the HSA plan? I agree that HSA plans aren't great for families that have less discretionary cash on hand.
- heywire 4y ago
  This was why I originally chose the HDHP a few years ago, as it was cheaper than our traditional copay plan, and I received ~$2k each January to put into our HSA from my employer. However, as we’ve gotten older, we’re hitting our deductible more often, meaning that we’re putting in a few thousand in addition to my employers part, which has also declined this year to $1400. This new plan from Surest is $40 more per month, and we lose that $1400, but there’s no deductible and copays are like $10-20 for dr visit, $30 for urgent care, and $325 for ER visit. These are all-in prices, so no more surprise bills for the random out of network dr that looked at your X-ray, or 3rd party labs.
- duffpkg 4y ago
  My personal opinion is that human nature and relatively complex rules about what is and isn't HSA acceptable, tends to make it difficult to reap the tax savings that the system is possible of providing. I have worked with a number of startups trying to determine whether their offering can be paid via HSA and the rules are conflicting and ambiguous that without tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees (which even then only offer some piece of mind) its difficult to determine. It's just a very complicated thing for people to have to deal with, an example of a potentially covered item: "Over-the-counter medicines and drugs - Effective January 1, 2020, expenses are generally reimbursable unless used for general well-being or for purely cosmetic purposes. Over-the-counter medicine and drug expenses that are incurred after January 1, 2020, are generally reimbursable. This may include, but not limited, to acetaminophen, acne products, allergy products, antacid remedies, antibiotic creams/ointments, anti-fungal foot sprays/creams, aspirin, baby care products, cold remedies, (including shower vapor tabs), cough syrups and drops, medicated eye and ear drops, ibuprofen, laxatives, migraine remedies, motion sickness, medicated nasal sprays, pain relievers, sleep aids, teething gels, and topical creams for itching, stinging, burning, pain relief, sore healing or insect bites. See Kits and Vapor units and refills." But then within each of those there are things that are and things that aren't, sometimes based on your intent. All that together is a lot of work considering the limits are $3,650/$7,300. In particular a phrase like "...generally reimbursable unless used for general well-being..." is the sort of tortured thing you only find in a bureaucratic nightmare like healthcare.

otoburb 4y ago

For families that frequent HN, wouldn't HSAs be the superior option since this demographic is more likely (for better or worse) to have higher discretionary income to weather the up-front HSA costs until hitting the family deductible limit, after which point incremental medical costs are (mostly) covered by the HSA plan? I agree that HSA plans aren't great for families that have less discretionary cash on hand.

heywire 4y ago
This was why I originally chose the HDHP a few years ago, as it was cheaper than our traditional copay plan, and I received ~$2k each January to put into our HSA from my employer. However, as we’ve gotten older, we’re hitting our deductible more often, meaning that we’re putting in a few thousand in addition to my employers part, which has also declined this year to $1400. This new plan from Surest is $40 more per month, and we lose that $1400, but there’s no deductible and copays are like $10-20 for dr visit, $30 for urgent care, and $325 for ER visit. These are all-in prices, so no more surprise bills for the random out of network dr that looked at your X-ray, or 3rd party labs.
duffpkg 4y ago
My personal opinion is that human nature and relatively complex rules about what is and isn't HSA acceptable, tends to make it difficult to reap the tax savings that the system is possible of providing. I have worked with a number of startups trying to determine whether their offering can be paid via HSA and the rules are conflicting and ambiguous that without tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees (which even then only offer some piece of mind) its difficult to determine. It's just a very complicated thing for people to have to deal with, an example of a potentially covered item: "Over-the-counter medicines and drugs - Effective January 1, 2020, expenses are generally reimbursable unless used for general well-being or for purely cosmetic purposes. Over-the-counter medicine and drug expenses that are incurred after January 1, 2020, are generally reimbursable. This may include, but not limited, to acetaminophen, acne products, allergy products, antacid remedies, antibiotic creams/ointments, anti-fungal foot sprays/creams, aspirin, baby care products, cold remedies, (including shower vapor tabs), cough syrups and drops, medicated eye and ear drops, ibuprofen, laxatives, migraine remedies, motion sickness, medicated nasal sprays, pain relievers, sleep aids, teething gels, and topical creams for itching, stinging, burning, pain relief, sore healing or insect bites. See Kits and Vapor units and refills." But then within each of those there are things that are and things that aren't, sometimes based on your intent. All that together is a lot of work considering the limits are $3,650/$7,300. In particular a phrase like "...generally reimbursable unless used for general well-being..." is the sort of tortured thing you only find in a bureaucratic nightmare like healthcare.