> Why would you want to see the evidence of this? Because if you're going to mark that as a measure of the new leadership's success the only way to judge that

> Why would you want to see the evidence of this? Because if you're going to mark that as a measure of the new leadership's success the only way to judge that it is by having evidence that the claim matches the reality. Saying "the claim is about something I don't need verification that it's real" is a really strange stance to take. I'd argue that the most important claims are the ones that should require the best evidence.