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Today more women than ever before are buying cars, and more cars than ever before are designed (also) with women's needs in mind. Some models are designed to lo

Today more women than ever before are buying cars, and more cars than ever before are designed (also) with women's needs in mind. Some models are designed to look intimidating, the typical customer for an Escalade or an S-Class probably wants something imposing, aggressive looking. But the generalization in your analysis seems oddly personal. Design changes so much because people expect a new look to motivate a new purchase. Making designs that will look obsolete as soon as the new one comes out is a huge part of selling the new model even if the technology under the hood (literally and figuratively) may not have changed much.

themitigating 4y ago
Do you have evidence that cars are purposefully designed to be obsoleteM
- buran77 4y ago
  > Do you have evidence Ironic request given the lack of any evidence in your previous very definitive statement that it's: > part of a trend in car design to cater to those awash with masculine insecurities or being told by the media they need to be more "manly" But if you now tell me (below) that it's just "your opinion" and not a matter of fact then it's perfectly fair to call it "projection" (taking your personal feelings and generalizing them to others). This isn't a PhD thesis. But fine, every other aspect of product design has been proven beyond doubt to be subject to planned obsolescence. It's not only reasonable to assume that aesthetics won't be an exception, it's also the best area to do it as it cannot be regulated in any way. It appeals to people's inherently subjective tastes. You can probably find even better resources than these a short internet search away: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence#Perceived_obsolescence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence#Perceived... https://uxdesign.cc/planned-obsolescence-in-aesthetics-ad73cfce9338 https://uxdesign.cc/planned-obsolescence-in-aesthetics-ad73c... https://www.motorbiscuit.com/car-companies-use-planned-obsolescence-consumers-buy-more-cars/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/car-companies-use-planned-obsol...
  - themitigating 4y ago
    I don't have to provide evidence of my opinion about design. You have to provide evidence when you claim that a company is doing something for a specifc reason
spockz 4y ago
What are “woman/women needs” in a car???
- buran77 4y ago
  For example women are shorter on average than men (and subsequently have shorter arms, legs, fingers) so everything has to be sized and placed appropriately, like seats and seat belts, steering wheel, stalks, buttons, pedals, etc. This is not a given especially in big cars. The dash and pillars also have to be designed to maximize visibility for short drivers. Then there are the smaller things like storage spaces, being able to pull open the door handle without breaking longer nails, or to get in and out of the car even when wearing a tight dress. Things along these lines. Ask any woman who was driving 20+ years ago, they probably have a more exhaustive list.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    Even though woman on average may be shorter people from both sexes have a range of heights Seats and often steering wheel positions are adjustable.
    - buran77 4y ago
      Right... and for every range of height women are 10+cm shorter than men. In the US the difference is 12-14cm regardless of percentile [0]. While things became more and more adjustable recently, this has not always been the case. Even on bicycles I know plenty of women who had to look for non-standard sized parts because they can't comfortably reach the brake lever while holding the grips safely. Just ask a few women who know about older cars. They can spot these issues because they had them themselves, just like you could spot why men want aggressive looking cars ;). [0] https://dqydj.com/height-percentile-calculator-for-men-and-women/ https://dqydj.com/height-percentile-calculator-for-men-and-w...
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Some reports say that some Japanese women like aggressive grills because looks aggressive is good feature to avoid harassments from badass on road. JDMs are really nice to make small cars to behave looks big and aggressive. example: Toyota Roomy, Toyota Esquire, Suzuki Spacia Custom

themitigating 4y ago

Do you have evidence that cars are purposefully designed to be obsoleteM

buran77 4y ago
> Do you have evidence Ironic request given the lack of any evidence in your previous very definitive statement that it's: > part of a trend in car design to cater to those awash with masculine insecurities or being told by the media they need to be more "manly" But if you now tell me (below) that it's just "your opinion" and not a matter of fact then it's perfectly fair to call it "projection" (taking your personal feelings and generalizing them to others). This isn't a PhD thesis. But fine, every other aspect of product design has been proven beyond doubt to be subject to planned obsolescence. It's not only reasonable to assume that aesthetics won't be an exception, it's also the best area to do it as it cannot be regulated in any way. It appeals to people's inherently subjective tastes. You can probably find even better resources than these a short internet search away: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence#Perceived_obsolescence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence#Perceived... https://uxdesign.cc/planned-obsolescence-in-aesthetics-ad73cfce9338 https://uxdesign.cc/planned-obsolescence-in-aesthetics-ad73c... https://www.motorbiscuit.com/car-companies-use-planned-obsolescence-consumers-buy-more-cars/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/car-companies-use-planned-obsol...
- themitigating 4y ago
  I don't have to provide evidence of my opinion about design. You have to provide evidence when you claim that a company is doing something for a specifc reason

spockz 4y ago

What are “woman/women needs” in a car???

buran77 4y ago
For example women are shorter on average than men (and subsequently have shorter arms, legs, fingers) so everything has to be sized and placed appropriately, like seats and seat belts, steering wheel, stalks, buttons, pedals, etc. This is not a given especially in big cars. The dash and pillars also have to be designed to maximize visibility for short drivers. Then there are the smaller things like storage spaces, being able to pull open the door handle without breaking longer nails, or to get in and out of the car even when wearing a tight dress. Things along these lines. Ask any woman who was driving 20+ years ago, they probably have a more exhaustive list.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Even though woman on average may be shorter people from both sexes have a range of heights Seats and often steering wheel positions are adjustable.
  - buran77 4y ago
    Right... and for every range of height women are 10+cm shorter than men. In the US the difference is 12-14cm regardless of percentile [0]. While things became more and more adjustable recently, this has not always been the case. Even on bicycles I know plenty of women who had to look for non-standard sized parts because they can't comfortably reach the brake lever while holding the grips safely. Just ask a few women who know about older cars. They can spot these issues because they had them themselves, just like you could spot why men want aggressive looking cars ;). [0] https://dqydj.com/height-percentile-calculator-for-men-and-women/ https://dqydj.com/height-percentile-calculator-for-men-and-w...
- fomine3 4y ago
  Some reports say that some Japanese women like aggressive grills because looks aggressive is good feature to avoid harassments from badass on road. JDMs are really nice to make small cars to behave looks big and aggressive. example: Toyota Roomy, Toyota Esquire, Suzuki Spacia Custom