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As a committed conlanger (but not a good one: I didn't land the Dothraki contract), I read this article with some trepidation. Is my weird little hobby soon to
by rikroots 4y ago
As a committed conlanger (but not a good one: I didn't land the Dothraki contract), I read this article with some trepidation. Is my weird little hobby soon to fall victim to the oncoming AI tsunami?
After the read, I find myself pleasantly surprised. My initial suspicion that the language would turn out to be Just Another Relex (make a new language by replacing English words with invented words, keeping the grammar and syntax the same) was clearly a waste of a suspicion. Furthermore I can see this approach being really useful to writers/game makers/etc who want to include a smattering of conlang in their work - for instance a non-relex naming language for placenames, overheard snatches of conversations, etc - to add an extra layer of spice to it.
So, I don't feel threatened by this novel use of AI. It could prove to be a really useful tool to help with some often laborious tasks (creating test translations to try out an idea, etc). I just hope the AI had as much fun inventing its language as I've had inventing mine!
- itisit 4y ago
- davea37 4y agoHave I spent too long reading AI output, or was this reply in fact generated using ChatGPT?
- itisit 4y agoThe latter...forgive me! I had to just this once, and I promise not to generate a bunch of ChatGPT pollution on HN!
- robocat 4y agoIf unsure, paste into https://huggingface.co/openai-detector https://huggingface.co/openai-detector and check. If the detector says 99% fake, it is very likely fake. The detector can mistake ChatGPT generated text as real (maybe because it was trained to detect GPT2), for example one text I generated scored 99.94% real. I suspect it is better to paste just a few sentences (especially for a generated blog partially modified by a human?). Although there are legitimate uses, such as people using ChatGPT to correct their grammar — https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33884842 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33884842 . . . Also if I find GPT generated comments that are not clearly labelled, I flag and downvote.
- itisit 4y ago> Also if I find GPT generated comments that are not clearly labelled, I flag and downvote. As you should.
- nadavr 4y agoWhy isn't this a relex? As an interested casual linguistics observer, that's what it looks like to me. Is it just because the nouns are inflected?
- OJFord 4y agoEasiest reason is the 'introduction particle', blub which we don't have in English, for subordinate clauses. I think 'taught ChatGPT to invent a' is hyperbolic though, this is more like 'taught ChatGPT my invented' - the only thing it invents itself are the 'relex' word->word mappings.
- rikroots 4y agoI agree the author/experimenter seems to have done most of the conlanging here. The development benefit comes, I think, from having the AI reflect back the work so the experimenter can correct output and consider their conlanging decisions (eg use vowels for case marking). I'm now wondering how the AI would cope with one of my conlangs. I have example sentences already - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YT9KzgvFu8DNWVL02t1NGgRS7FRIh9hO5EGAfrCcBtQ/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YT9KzgvFu8DNWVL02t1NGgRS...
- nadavr 4y agoIsn't `blub` more or less equivalent to `that` or `which`?
- baq 4y agoYou told chatgpt to write this comment, didn't you.
- rikroots 4y agoTempting, but no. I'm too busy failing at Advent of Code to start playing with chatgpt today.
- baq 4y agoIt has truly begun, then. I've mistaken a real human for an AI. marks the date
- shagie 4y agoSome time back I recall a PBS program (Nova? - though I think it was Alan Alda which would have made it Scientific American Frontiers) that had a Turing test of sorts in it. The structure of that test (this was a while back - couldn't do an unconstrained one) had a panel composed of some chat bots and some humans (10 total, though the number isn't too important). Each was limited to the area of their specialty - I think there was a chatbot that had its specialty of bartending drinks. The people evaluating them rated them on a distinct 1-10(?) scale. The question was trying to find a "what is the most human like chat bot." Part of it was that the human expert in Shakespeare was considered to be more computer like than many of the chatbots in part because of the depth of knowledge in that domain.
- passwd 4y agoThe date where you failed a reverse Turing test. A Gnirut test, if you will.
- codetrotter 4y agoTell ChatGPT to solve Advent of Code for you :D Like so, https://video.nstr.no/w/6z7PxB4J92H3NHhgMmfYVw https://video.nstr.no/w/6z7PxB4J92H3NHhgMmfYVw
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- fernly 4y agoLet's teach it Lojban. Edit: I asked it; and it knows about Lojban but it clearly only parroting the Wikipedia entry or something similar.
- int_19h 4y agoI did a similar experiment, except that I started with phonology of the language, and it's pretty decent at that too if you want to get it to "sound like something". It does understand stuff like place and manner of articulation, how adjacent phonemes can affect each other etc.