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Yeah, and the real tragedy is that these are all solved problems in other ecosystems. The C++ folks often don't know what they're missing out on. Which is too b

Yeah, and the real tragedy is that these are all solved problems in other ecosystems. The C++ folks often don't know what they're missing out on. Which is too bad, because while C++-the-language gets a lot of flack, modern C++ is actually pretty cool (still a bit of a bear to figure out which features not to use). But the tooling is just insanely cumbersome (it's been a while since I've developed C++, but last I checked even getting decent editor support was absurdly hard and the various Vim/etc plugins that promised said support never worked out of the box).

palata 4y ago
I don't have problems with dependencies in C++ using CMake. Maybe I'm doing it wrong xD. It is harder to get 400 dependencies than with other ecosystems, I'll admit that. But I see this as a feature. I can't even start to imagine how people deal with security when the most basic app they write gets tens (hundreds?) of transitive dependencies. I guess they don't. Nobody cares about security.
simplotek 4y ago
> The C++ folks often don't know what they're missing out on. This assumption implies that C++ developers are all one-track wonders that lock themselves in a basement and have no contact with any other programming language or tooling. > But the tooling is just insanely cumbersome (...) It really isn't. Node.js with npm or yarn is a far greater mess than anything that happened in C++. I'd say that 9 out of 10 times people complain about the C++ ecosystem, they are actually talking from a place of ignorance and at best are only complaining about the mess they needlessly dug themselves into. Case in point: who in their right mind feels the need to bolt on a different scripting language to cmake, a build system that only rarely needs a damn if statement in the project? These guys are clearly deeply invested in making their lives far hard and worse than they need to be. I mean, where's the need? If anything, this wave of contrarian bullshit targeting C++ only shows the high volume of inexperient and clueless developers who decided to skip learning the basics and instead thought it was a good idea o dive head-first into wheels reinvented very poorly, and from there in proceed to depict their own mess as representative of everyone else's experience.

palata 4y ago

I don't have problems with dependencies in C++ using CMake. Maybe I'm doing it wrong xD. It is harder to get 400 dependencies than with other ecosystems, I'll admit that. But I see this as a feature. I can't even start to imagine how people deal with security when the most basic app they write gets tens (hundreds?) of transitive dependencies. I guess they don't. Nobody cares about security.

simplotek 4y ago

> The C++ folks often don't know what they're missing out on. This assumption implies that C++ developers are all one-track wonders that lock themselves in a basement and have no contact with any other programming language or tooling. > But the tooling is just insanely cumbersome (...) It really isn't. Node.js with npm or yarn is a far greater mess than anything that happened in C++. I'd say that 9 out of 10 times people complain about the C++ ecosystem, they are actually talking from a place of ignorance and at best are only complaining about the mess they needlessly dug themselves into. Case in point: who in their right mind feels the need to bolt on a different scripting language to cmake, a build system that only rarely needs a damn if statement in the project? These guys are clearly deeply invested in making their lives far hard and worse than they need to be. I mean, where's the need? If anything, this wave of contrarian bullshit targeting C++ only shows the high volume of inexperient and clueless developers who decided to skip learning the basics and instead thought it was a good idea o dive head-first into wheels reinvented very poorly, and from there in proceed to depict their own mess as representative of everyone else's experience.