3 ms·

> ...if it didn't come with so much societal baggage. Isn't societal baggage also a perception issue? Take 10 people with all the same physical traits and the

> ...if it didn't come with so much societal baggage. Isn't societal baggage also a perception issue? Take 10 people with all the same physical traits and the same social situation and you will get 10 different perspectives. Why should I accept there is _any_ baggage as a fact? It may just appear so for a massive amount of people, and _that_ could be fluid.

RC_ITR 4y ago
So you're telling me that a boy who identifies as a boy is fine to change with the girls at PE and do their activities? OR is there 'baggage' to being a boy in this scenario?
- RobertRoberts 4y ago
  I am just saying many of these things are subjective, and just because someone says "it's baggage" doesn't mean it is for everyone.
  - RC_ITR 4y ago
    Please answer my question directly. Is it 'subjective' that many activities are segregated by gender in the West? If a person doesn't like that, how is it not a logical response to try to change their gender?
    - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
      > Is it 'subjective' that many activities are segregated by gender in the West? You're conflating sex and gender. If you used the two terms as others do there's no surprise. Washrooms, in almost the entire world, are sex segregated. They aren't gender-segregated in the sense of transgender because they forbid all males and allow all females, or vice versa. > If a person doesn't like that, how is it not a logical response to try to change their gender? The washroom isn't actually gender segregated, it's sex segregated and you can't change sex. The words you're using are chosen to subtly obscure the situation. > So you're telling me that a boy who identifies as a boy is fine to change with the girls at PE and do their activities? OR is there 'baggage' to being a boy in this scenario? It sure feels like there's baggage to being a girl - being an object for you to shower next to, not a person with their own privacy rights.
      - RC_ITR 4y ago
        .

RC_ITR 4y ago

So you're telling me that a boy who identifies as a boy is fine to change with the girls at PE and do their activities? OR is there 'baggage' to being a boy in this scenario?

RobertRoberts 4y ago
I am just saying many of these things are subjective, and just because someone says "it's baggage" doesn't mean it is for everyone.
- RC_ITR 4y ago
  Please answer my question directly. Is it 'subjective' that many activities are segregated by gender in the West? If a person doesn't like that, how is it not a logical response to try to change their gender?
  - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
    > Is it 'subjective' that many activities are segregated by gender in the West? You're conflating sex and gender. If you used the two terms as others do there's no surprise. Washrooms, in almost the entire world, are sex segregated. They aren't gender-segregated in the sense of transgender because they forbid all males and allow all females, or vice versa. > If a person doesn't like that, how is it not a logical response to try to change their gender? The washroom isn't actually gender segregated, it's sex segregated and you can't change sex. The words you're using are chosen to subtly obscure the situation. > So you're telling me that a boy who identifies as a boy is fine to change with the girls at PE and do their activities? OR is there 'baggage' to being a boy in this scenario? It sure feels like there's baggage to being a girl - being an object for you to shower next to, not a person with their own privacy rights.
    - RC_ITR 4y ago
      .