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So you’re saying that terawatt hours of grid connected storage with highly efficient inverters … cannot support the grid during the transition? EDIT: for those

So you’re saying that terawatt hours of grid connected storage with highly efficient inverters … cannot support the grid during the transition? EDIT: for those not paying attention, the ability to provide grid-tied on-demand power has been in the Tesla since the original roadster. The fact that most people complaining about imminent grid collapse don’t know this (or don’t realize what it means, or don’t care) makes this debate tiresome.

constantcrying 4y ago
Energy storage doesn't generate energy. Energy storge does not decrease the usage of energy infastructure or the need to maintain it. The need for storage depends on the type of power that is being generated. E.g. a nuclear powerplant can easily change its production, a solar panel or wind turbine can not, that requires renewables to rely on over production and storage for continous delivery. Btw. there isn't enough lithium in the world to make this happen globally.
- pjkundert 4y ago
  As always; - there is plenty of excess off-peak power available; grid collapse happens at the peaks. - Lithium supply is a limiting factor for both EV demand and grid-tied battery capacity, so if cars themselves provided grid tied power, they would necessarily scale with the demand. So long as the 24-hour average demand was satisfied by the grid supply, the grid would do fine.
  - constantcrying 4y ago
    >- there is plenty of excess off-peak power available; grid collapse happens at the peaks. And? >- Lithium supply is a limiting factor for both EV demand and grid-tied battery capacity, so if cars themselves provided grid tied power, they would necessarily scale with the demand. There still is not enough. It isn't even close. My point was that energy storage doesn't solve the problem of total under supply and a need for increased grid infrastructure.
    - pjkundert 4y ago
      Don’t get me wrong — I think destroying quality base load capacity is apocalyptically stupid. But EVs aren’t the problem. They could be part of a solution.

constantcrying 4y ago

Energy storage doesn't generate energy. Energy storge does not decrease the usage of energy infastructure or the need to maintain it. The need for storage depends on the type of power that is being generated. E.g. a nuclear powerplant can easily change its production, a solar panel or wind turbine can not, that requires renewables to rely on over production and storage for continous delivery. Btw. there isn't enough lithium in the world to make this happen globally.

pjkundert 4y ago
As always; - there is plenty of excess off-peak power available; grid collapse happens at the peaks. - Lithium supply is a limiting factor for both EV demand and grid-tied battery capacity, so if cars themselves provided grid tied power, they would necessarily scale with the demand. So long as the 24-hour average demand was satisfied by the grid supply, the grid would do fine.
- constantcrying 4y ago
  >- there is plenty of excess off-peak power available; grid collapse happens at the peaks. And? >- Lithium supply is a limiting factor for both EV demand and grid-tied battery capacity, so if cars themselves provided grid tied power, they would necessarily scale with the demand. There still is not enough. It isn't even close. My point was that energy storage doesn't solve the problem of total under supply and a need for increased grid infrastructure.
  - pjkundert 4y ago
    Don’t get me wrong — I think destroying quality base load capacity is apocalyptically stupid. But EVs aren’t the problem. They could be part of a solution.