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Correct - the "everyone" is mainly NYT and some politicians. There are some questions there as it's a bit sketchy why they're treating him with such kid gloves.

Dork1234 4y ago
He is just a kid, he is merely 30, and grew up in a home with business lawyers. It has been such a hard life. If it wasn't for the shady Crypto market, he could be having a good life as a Doctor like we always wanted him to be. He got mixed up with this Caroline girl (How can you blame her, he is so muscular and good looking) and gave him all these ideas of having a crypto exchange. Clearly the problem is crypto, and it should be banned. It is ruining all these highly connected well to do young kids life's. /s
- Dork1234 4y ago
  Well then, I think I need to commission from the Boston Globe: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/12/06/business/caroline-ellison-math-whiz-newton-native-was-bound-success-then-she-got-into-crypto/ https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/12/06/business/caroline-ell...
ethanbond 4y ago
Seems to me people have completely unrealistic expectations of how financial crimes play out. This will take years to unwind. Pretty obvious the "why isn't he in jail yet" screaming is coming from the same place as "why aren't I rich yet," on which this entire empire was built. This stuff takes time. He's very obviously going to prison. For context: Enron, whose operations and collapse caused way more negative impact on the public, fell over in 2001. It wasn't until 2004 that Skilling (CEO/COO/general bad actor) went into FBI custody. It wasn't until 2006 that he was convicted. Yeah, SBF is going out on a media tour and admitting to all his crimes, so hey maybe they should arrest him now - but why? He's clearly too dumb/narcissistic to run. Take him to court based on media appearances and he may claim he was hopped up on a boatload of amphetamines to the point of actual delusion. Then oops, guess we didn't gather all the hard evidence needed to convict so we lose our shot! Jeez, people.
- tom-thistime 4y ago
  It sounds like you probably know what you're talking about. That's going to cost you karma points.
  - hungryforcodes 4y ago
    Hmmm
- pram 4y ago
  I think he'd be better off in jail, it would at least make him STFU
  - ethanbond 4y ago
    Which is another good reason for prosecutors not to be pressing him right now! Why not just let him keep running his mouth?
    - coldtea 4y ago
      Doesn't sound like a consideration law enforcement has or should have... They either have something to get him for or not. And he might have connections or not. They wont have people that did crime running around just in case they reveal something more...
      - ethanbond 4y ago
        You don't think law enforcement considers whether it has enough evidence for a conviction prior to arresting someone, especially if that person is 1) actively producing more evidence of the crime by the minute, 2) not apparently a flight risk, and 3) not actively further harming the public?
        coldtea 4y ago
        >You don't think law enforcement considers whether it has enough evidence for a conviction prior to arresting someone I do. Do you consider what I wrote amounting to the above? >especially if that person is 1) actively producing more evidence of the crime by the minute, 2) not apparently a flight risk, and 3) not actively further harming the public? A flight risk is 100% a thing. What is the opposite based on, that he is an idiot, or that even if he is he wont get some advice on that end? That's crazy talk.
jjtheblunt 4y ago
I thought it was long admitted, even by the NYT (citation below) in a recent reorg, that they were controlled by the Democrats to an extent that even they found losing them readership and thus money. That said, I can't find an exact citation, but one article back then noted replacing editors in attempt to be more neutral. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/17/new-york-times-editor-admits-paper-is-very-very-ve/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/17/new-york-ti...
- tom-thistime 4y ago
  At some point the NYT just got rabies where Trump was concerned. The news pages became gross and distracting even to folks like me who are normally core NYT readers. Now this is nuanced, ok? Trump has publicly called for elimination of the Constitution. That's not the media, that's him. But anyway, re the NYT, the really important point (for me) is that they allowed the front page to become unreasonable and unreadable. Maybe it has recovered now. I don't know. I'm afraid to look.
  - jjtheblunt 4y ago
    i subscribe; it's more balanced, perhaps because of the results mentioned in the article i linked above.
tootie 4y ago
I don't understand these media criticisms in the form of "Why doesn't every MSM outlet cover everything at once and ask every question of everyone and also make every inference we all want to hear?" The NY Times elicited more details out of SBF than anyone else. He more or less confessed to some of the major elements of his crime while pleading ignorance/incompetence at the girth of his wrongdoing. Asking in a friendly, non-challenging tone is a pretty standard interview technique to disarm your subject and encourage cooperation. "How much did you steal and why aren't you in jail?" isn't going to get a useful answer.
tmaly 4y ago
What is your opinion on why he is getting the kid glove treatment?

Dork1234 4y ago

He is just a kid, he is merely 30, and grew up in a home with business lawyers. It has been such a hard life. If it wasn't for the shady Crypto market, he could be having a good life as a Doctor like we always wanted him to be. He got mixed up with this Caroline girl (How can you blame her, he is so muscular and good looking) and gave him all these ideas of having a crypto exchange. Clearly the problem is crypto, and it should be banned. It is ruining all these highly connected well to do young kids life's. /s

Dork1234 4y ago
Well then, I think I need to commission from the Boston Globe: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/12/06/business/caroline-ellison-math-whiz-newton-native-was-bound-success-then-she-got-into-crypto/ https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/12/06/business/caroline-ell...

ethanbond 4y ago

Seems to me people have completely unrealistic expectations of how financial crimes play out. This will take years to unwind. Pretty obvious the "why isn't he in jail yet" screaming is coming from the same place as "why aren't I rich yet," on which this entire empire was built. This stuff takes time. He's very obviously going to prison. For context: Enron, whose operations and collapse caused way more negative impact on the public, fell over in 2001. It wasn't until 2004 that Skilling (CEO/COO/general bad actor) went into FBI custody. It wasn't until 2006 that he was convicted. Yeah, SBF is going out on a media tour and admitting to all his crimes, so hey maybe they should arrest him now - but why? He's clearly too dumb/narcissistic to run. Take him to court based on media appearances and he may claim he was hopped up on a boatload of amphetamines to the point of actual delusion. Then oops, guess we didn't gather all the hard evidence needed to convict so we lose our shot! Jeez, people.

tom-thistime 4y ago
It sounds like you probably know what you're talking about. That's going to cost you karma points.
- hungryforcodes 4y ago
  Hmmm
pram 4y ago
I think he'd be better off in jail, it would at least make him STFU
- ethanbond 4y ago
  Which is another good reason for prosecutors not to be pressing him right now! Why not just let him keep running his mouth?
  - coldtea 4y ago
    Doesn't sound like a consideration law enforcement has or should have... They either have something to get him for or not. And he might have connections or not. They wont have people that did crime running around just in case they reveal something more...
    - ethanbond 4y ago
      You don't think law enforcement considers whether it has enough evidence for a conviction prior to arresting someone, especially if that person is 1) actively producing more evidence of the crime by the minute, 2) not apparently a flight risk, and 3) not actively further harming the public?
      - coldtea 4y ago
        >You don't think law enforcement considers whether it has enough evidence for a conviction prior to arresting someone I do. Do you consider what I wrote amounting to the above? >especially if that person is 1) actively producing more evidence of the crime by the minute, 2) not apparently a flight risk, and 3) not actively further harming the public? A flight risk is 100% a thing. What is the opposite based on, that he is an idiot, or that even if he is he wont get some advice on that end? That's crazy talk.

jjtheblunt 4y ago

I thought it was long admitted, even by the NYT (citation below) in a recent reorg, that they were controlled by the Democrats to an extent that even they found losing them readership and thus money. That said, I can't find an exact citation, but one article back then noted replacing editors in attempt to be more neutral. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/17/new-york-times-editor-admits-paper-is-very-very-ve/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/17/new-york-ti...

tom-thistime 4y ago
At some point the NYT just got rabies where Trump was concerned. The news pages became gross and distracting even to folks like me who are normally core NYT readers. Now this is nuanced, ok? Trump has publicly called for elimination of the Constitution. That's not the media, that's him. But anyway, re the NYT, the really important point (for me) is that they allowed the front page to become unreasonable and unreadable. Maybe it has recovered now. I don't know. I'm afraid to look.
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
  i subscribe; it's more balanced, perhaps because of the results mentioned in the article i linked above.

tootie 4y ago

I don't understand these media criticisms in the form of "Why doesn't every MSM outlet cover everything at once and ask every question of everyone and also make every inference we all want to hear?" The NY Times elicited more details out of SBF than anyone else. He more or less confessed to some of the major elements of his crime while pleading ignorance/incompetence at the girth of his wrongdoing. Asking in a friendly, non-challenging tone is a pretty standard interview technique to disarm your subject and encourage cooperation. "How much did you steal and why aren't you in jail?" isn't going to get a useful answer.

tmaly 4y ago

What is your opinion on why he is getting the kid glove treatment?