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> either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy. Pushing users to upgrade devices is u

> either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy. Pushing users to upgrade devices is unethical and harmful. Apple does it all the time and they should be held accountable for that. Discarding old devices and creating new ones destroys the environment and increases pollution. The best device is the device you already own! Their successful business strategy results in environmental destruction and other issues. Wh

brookst 4y ago
Apple products have longer lifespans than competitors'[0]. There's just a secondary market, which is more environmentally efficient. It's a very different world, so it's understandable that people not in the Apple ecosystem see "buy a new iPad" as synonymous with "throw old iPad in trash." But that's not what happens at all. The actual devices go on being used for a very long time. But ignoring that for a moment, are you proposing that companies shouldn't improve hardware because it leads to software features that don't work on old devices, which leads to old devices being thrown away? That doesn't feel right to me. [0] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181016142434.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181016142434.h...
- reaperducer 4y ago
  I wish that Apple would expand its recycling intake program. During the lockdown, I had several Apple products that I wanted to bring to the store for disposal, but Apple wasn't taking any devices at all. Then, once the restrictions were lifted, I found out that only one of the six Apple Stores in my area takes devices, and it was an hour away. It seems to me that every Apple retail location should take back devices.
  - brookst 4y ago
    Very much agreed. That seems like something easy to fix.
yamtaddle 4y ago
> Pushing users to upgrade devices is unethical and harmful. Apple does it all the time and they should be held accountable for that. Huh. Long-time Apple user and my experience is they're really good about supporting older hardware, including when that hardware can't support the newest features. Usually (not always, but usually) if an older device doesn't get a feature, it's because it can't, but they keep getting updates anyway, just without the features they cannot support. That's the trade-off for more features being local-only or local-mostly rather than "cloud".

brookst 4y ago

Apple products have longer lifespans than competitors'[0]. There's just a secondary market, which is more environmentally efficient. It's a very different world, so it's understandable that people not in the Apple ecosystem see "buy a new iPad" as synonymous with "throw old iPad in trash." But that's not what happens at all. The actual devices go on being used for a very long time. But ignoring that for a moment, are you proposing that companies shouldn't improve hardware because it leads to software features that don't work on old devices, which leads to old devices being thrown away? That doesn't feel right to me. [0] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181016142434.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181016142434.h...

reaperducer 4y ago
I wish that Apple would expand its recycling intake program. During the lockdown, I had several Apple products that I wanted to bring to the store for disposal, but Apple wasn't taking any devices at all. Then, once the restrictions were lifted, I found out that only one of the six Apple Stores in my area takes devices, and it was an hour away. It seems to me that every Apple retail location should take back devices.
- brookst 4y ago
  Very much agreed. That seems like something easy to fix.

yamtaddle 4y ago

> Pushing users to upgrade devices is unethical and harmful. Apple does it all the time and they should be held accountable for that. Huh. Long-time Apple user and my experience is they're really good about supporting older hardware, including when that hardware can't support the newest features. Usually (not always, but usually) if an older device doesn't get a feature, it's because it can't, but they keep getting updates anyway, just without the features they cannot support. That's the trade-off for more features being local-only or local-mostly rather than "cloud".