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This looks really cool, and it'll be interesting to see how artists and producers react. Presumably the tracks need to be mixed for the format with dedicated vo

This looks really cool, and it'll be interesting to see how artists and producers react. Presumably the tracks need to be mixed for the format with dedicated vocal track. Although it's possible to isolate vocals some of the time from mixes, using stereo separation (the vocals are often the only component that is 100% center mixed), filtering, and even AI techniques ... none are perfect. I wonder if this will have the real killer feature of professional karaoke ... the ability to transpose the song into a more convenient key for the singer. Apple have had this capability in Logic Pro's pitch shift and it's pretty good even on polyphonic music. Some Karaoke platforms use midi and midi-like formats and synthesize the instruments to do it, but I'd be surprised to see that here.

batesy 4y ago
Serato just released Stems, which allows DJs to isolate drums, bassline, vocals in the tracks they are playing live. The algos are getting pretty damn good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Wy9szxU3A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Wy9szxU3A
- soylentcola 4y ago
  I remember seeing something like this in VirtualDJ the last time I fired it up and updated a few years ago. Only noticed because they'd remapped the high/mid/low EQ knobs on my old Numark controller to remove bass, drums, vox, etc. Wasn't what I was looking for initially but it was surprisingly good compared to the older "vocal remover" type plugins I remember having for Winamp et al back in the day. If I ever actually DJed anymore it would definitely be useful for mixing tracks.
- CrypticShift 4y ago
  And this is real-time (Like the apple sing). So it is a game changer for DJs (usability-wise)
ghostpepper 4y ago
Wait, there are Karaoke machines that can transpose songs?
- soylentcola 4y ago
  Most DJ software these days has tempo/key adjustment as well as hooks to connect to subscription karaoke services (basically Spotify for karaoke). Unless I had a business with a ton of old school gear, that's how I'd run a karaoke company nowadays. No worries about licensing/rights for songs, updating your collection with the autotuned robot song of the week, and easy to connect a laptop/mixer to an existing sound system or your own PA.
Closi 4y ago
> Presumably the tracks need to be mixed for the format with dedicated vocal track. Nope - it's using ML. Source: https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/06/apple-music-is-getting-a-new-karaoke-like-feature-apple-sing/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAEDs_9eWipE0_onnDd8TXeBzrsIRN7xJP2nkP0JfAx0_bvOIys4bJO18kyAct_f6BJsTGibaAA_70OYSg-QNgbQjTCurnO20qxLXwnKN3u-XauKPCB4d1MzfpTPzR3_NhaWjcEn883BRWtqJG0y4lTGurpk67gm-jI0_U_V-i0t https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/06/apple-music-is-getting-a-n...

batesy 4y ago

Serato just released Stems, which allows DJs to isolate drums, bassline, vocals in the tracks they are playing live. The algos are getting pretty damn good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Wy9szxU3A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Wy9szxU3A

soylentcola 4y ago
I remember seeing something like this in VirtualDJ the last time I fired it up and updated a few years ago. Only noticed because they'd remapped the high/mid/low EQ knobs on my old Numark controller to remove bass, drums, vox, etc. Wasn't what I was looking for initially but it was surprisingly good compared to the older "vocal remover" type plugins I remember having for Winamp et al back in the day. If I ever actually DJed anymore it would definitely be useful for mixing tracks.
CrypticShift 4y ago
And this is real-time (Like the apple sing). So it is a game changer for DJs (usability-wise)

ghostpepper 4y ago

Wait, there are Karaoke machines that can transpose songs?

soylentcola 4y ago
Most DJ software these days has tempo/key adjustment as well as hooks to connect to subscription karaoke services (basically Spotify for karaoke). Unless I had a business with a ton of old school gear, that's how I'd run a karaoke company nowadays. No worries about licensing/rights for songs, updating your collection with the autotuned robot song of the week, and easy to connect a laptop/mixer to an existing sound system or your own PA.

Closi 4y ago

> Presumably the tracks need to be mixed for the format with dedicated vocal track. Nope - it's using ML. Source: https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/06/apple-music-is-getting-a-new-karaoke-like-feature-apple-sing/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAEDs_9eWipE0_onnDd8TXeBzrsIRN7xJP2nkP0JfAx0_bvOIys4bJO18kyAct_f6BJsTGibaAA_70OYSg-QNgbQjTCurnO20qxLXwnKN3u-XauKPCB4d1MzfpTPzR3_NhaWjcEn883BRWtqJG0y4lTGurpk67gm-jI0_U_V-i0t https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/06/apple-music-is-getting-a-n...