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This + the recent news that Apple is planning to diversify production out of China (1) is hard not to read into regarding the US' view of where US/China relatio

This + the recent news that Apple is planning to diversify production out of China (1) is hard not to read into regarding the US' view of where US/China relations are heading . . . any geopolitical armchair experts have a view? (1) https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-china-factory-protests-foxconn-manufacturing-production-supply-chain-11670023099 https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-china-factory-protests-fo...

markus_zhang 4y ago
I read it as an interest exchange between US and China. US has the upper hand here so managed to grab some good stuffs fron TW while China probably got the permission to go in the future.
uni_rule 4y ago
Policies like this actually move pretty slowly. This is still a reaction to Ukraine in february, not planning for anything in particular, just the possibility of a fucked status quo.
- vinibrito 4y ago
  Or maybe even a reaction to the pandemic. Which means a couple years ago at least.
  - hayst4ck 4y ago
    I think not being able to procure n95 masks because mask production was all off-shored, particularly to China, was a real wake up call that supply chain security is integral to national security. Ukraine was the moment that showed that: "No two countries that both have a McDonald's have ever fought a war against each other." is a false idea. Hong Kong made it clear that the idea of increasing prosperity in China will not lead to it's liberalization, nor can China be relied upon to be bound by documents that are "historical documents that no longer have any practical significance."
    - TapWaterBandit 4y ago
      > Hong Kong made it clear that the idea of increasing prosperity in China will not lead to it's liberalization, nor can China be relied upon to be bound by documents that are "historical documents that no longer have any practical significance." This is a great point, it is underestimated I think in how what happened in Hong Kong impacted perceptions of China. Was the first clearcut example that once China was in they would not respect prior agreements (like around having 2 systems in Hong Kong) which led to a wake up call for what letting China have a big political role in your society would mean.
notyourwork 4y ago
You don't need to be an expert to see the writing on the wall. The 2nd in power will always want to be first. Kingdoms are built and die on power transitions and China has appeared desperate to become the leading super power for as long as I can remember. edit: Can ignore this comment, I see an earlier thread that discusses water with lots of replies. Sorry about that.

markus_zhang 4y ago

I read it as an interest exchange between US and China. US has the upper hand here so managed to grab some good stuffs fron TW while China probably got the permission to go in the future.

uni_rule 4y ago

Policies like this actually move pretty slowly. This is still a reaction to Ukraine in february, not planning for anything in particular, just the possibility of a fucked status quo.

vinibrito 4y ago
Or maybe even a reaction to the pandemic. Which means a couple years ago at least.
- hayst4ck 4y ago
  I think not being able to procure n95 masks because mask production was all off-shored, particularly to China, was a real wake up call that supply chain security is integral to national security. Ukraine was the moment that showed that: "No two countries that both have a McDonald's have ever fought a war against each other." is a false idea. Hong Kong made it clear that the idea of increasing prosperity in China will not lead to it's liberalization, nor can China be relied upon to be bound by documents that are "historical documents that no longer have any practical significance."
  - TapWaterBandit 4y ago
    > Hong Kong made it clear that the idea of increasing prosperity in China will not lead to it's liberalization, nor can China be relied upon to be bound by documents that are "historical documents that no longer have any practical significance." This is a great point, it is underestimated I think in how what happened in Hong Kong impacted perceptions of China. Was the first clearcut example that once China was in they would not respect prior agreements (like around having 2 systems in Hong Kong) which led to a wake up call for what letting China have a big political role in your society would mean.

notyourwork 4y ago

You don't need to be an expert to see the writing on the wall. The 2nd in power will always want to be first. Kingdoms are built and die on power transitions and China has appeared desperate to become the leading super power for as long as I can remember. edit: Can ignore this comment, I see an earlier thread that discusses water with lots of replies. Sorry about that.