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> Children who score [IQ]145 or above would then be offered a life-long genius award. Sounds like it would create MASSIVE incentives to cheat on the IQ test or

by cgb223 4y ago

> Children who score [IQ]145 or above would then be offered a life-long genius award. Sounds like it would create MASSIVE incentives to cheat on the IQ test or pay off the graders to give you a good score as well It would literally set your kids up for life

neilv 4y ago
Also, it doesn't have to be overt "cheating": I suspect that whatever metric(s) would be both defined and gamed by the affluent, like college admissions criteria.
torstenvl 4y ago
This is the only cogent criticism I can find in this thread. I'm predisposed to like the proposal, but I don't really have a good response for you. On the other hand, don't most IQ tests have elaborate anti-cheating mechanisms? E.g., handwriting an ungraded written portion?
- TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
  You insinuate you have a high IQ and that is the only cogent critisms you can find here.
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- BitwiseFool 4y ago
  That sounds a lot more like the SAT. That was also supposed to have anti-cheating measures and be resistant to the practice effect. Yet, students who take SAT prep often end up scoring higher (but dramatically higher) than those that did not take such prep courses. It seems perfectly plausible that repeatedly taking IQ tests would likely result in a higher score due to practice and familiarity. Especially if there is a significant financial incentive involved and someone is on the border of qualifying for it.
  - torstenvl 4y ago
    LSAT does this as well, and it's generally accepted as an IQ test rather than a knowledge test. I'm not concerned with trainability. Lots of minimum bars are trainable, like the bar exam, or the Marine Corps PFT/IST. The fact that they're trainable doesn't mean the measures are invalid w/r/t minimum competence as a lawyer, or minimum fitness as a Marine. Similarly, I don't think trainability on tests of logical reasoning, pattern recognition, reading comprehension, memory, etc. necessarily meaningfully reduces the effectiveness of the tests that measure such things. On the contrary, I think it shows that intelligence increases when exercised.

by cgb223 4y ago

neilv 4y ago

Also, it doesn't have to be overt "cheating": I suspect that whatever metric(s) would be both defined and gamed by the affluent, like college admissions criteria.

torstenvl 4y ago

This is the only cogent criticism I can find in this thread. I'm predisposed to like the proposal, but I don't really have a good response for you. On the other hand, don't most IQ tests have elaborate anti-cheating mechanisms? E.g., handwriting an ungraded written portion?

TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
You insinuate you have a high IQ and that is the only cogent critisms you can find here.
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BitwiseFool 4y ago
That sounds a lot more like the SAT. That was also supposed to have anti-cheating measures and be resistant to the practice effect. Yet, students who take SAT prep often end up scoring higher (but dramatically higher) than those that did not take such prep courses. It seems perfectly plausible that repeatedly taking IQ tests would likely result in a higher score due to practice and familiarity. Especially if there is a significant financial incentive involved and someone is on the border of qualifying for it.
- torstenvl 4y ago
  LSAT does this as well, and it's generally accepted as an IQ test rather than a knowledge test. I'm not concerned with trainability. Lots of minimum bars are trainable, like the bar exam, or the Marine Corps PFT/IST. The fact that they're trainable doesn't mean the measures are invalid w/r/t minimum competence as a lawyer, or minimum fitness as a Marine. Similarly, I don't think trainability on tests of logical reasoning, pattern recognition, reading comprehension, memory, etc. necessarily meaningfully reduces the effectiveness of the tests that measure such things. On the contrary, I think it shows that intelligence increases when exercised.