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If it's within the normal course of this type of business, why would the feds be investigating it?

iancmceachern 4y ago
Neuralink is way outside the rails. Yes, it is normal to do animal studies with a few dozen carefully planned, documented and cared for animal cases. It is not standard practice to do poorly documented, half baked studies where 1500 monkeys are used and tortured. This is way off the ranks of "normal"
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  The article mentions 2 monkeys, not 1500. Where did you get that impression and why did you decide to state it as fact?
  - iancmceachern 4y ago
    It was an honest misunderstanding
    - Karunamon 4y ago
      You are within the edit window as of time of writing and should update your comment, then, rather than leave misinformation standing. Or delete it.
      - iancmceachern 4y ago
        I can no longer edit it. I would have edited it to say 1500 animals, striking "monkeys".
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      As someone that works with devices, you should know that 1500 monkeys is a wildly absurd claim. As someone who also works with devices, I would be extremely skeptical and wouldn't even believe 1500 monkeys if the article did state it, unless proof was included.
memish 4y ago
- ckemere 4y ago
  Just to be clear - this hot take is completely wrong. The Animal Welfare Act has rules that proscribe that certain kinds of complaints around animal research in mammals other than rats and mice have to be investigated by the USDA. Animal rights groups are very active in trying to infiltrate research organizations in order to "discover" problems, and disgruntled employees also have these complaints as a lever. To be clear - (1) animal researchers are not perfect people and make mistakes and need regulating, (2) I could never work for someone like Elon Musk - he vastly overstates the potential of current technology but also because he may have other ethical issues, (3) the feds may sometimes go after people because of vendettas including Musk. BUT, in this case, for someone who watches the space of "animal welfare problems", the Reuters piece seems very suspiciously like of a hit piece from PETA or another animal rights group (or them amplifying an internal Neuralink dispute).
  - memish 4y ago
    That's a good insight. I upvoted you. You may be right, I may be wrong and the timing was merely coincidental.
  - pigtailgirl 4y ago
    -- other than rats & mice? - you can go willy nilly with rats & mice? - if so - sad - rats are incredibly intelligent - loving - mice too --

Neuralink is way outside the rails. Yes, it is normal to do animal studies with a few dozen carefully planned, documented and cared for animal cases. It is not standard practice to do poorly documented, half baked studies where 1500 monkeys are used and tortured. This is way off the ranks of "normal"

s1artibartfast 4y ago
The article mentions 2 monkeys, not 1500. Where did you get that impression and why did you decide to state it as fact?
- iancmceachern 4y ago
  It was an honest misunderstanding
  - Karunamon 4y ago
    You are within the edit window as of time of writing and should update your comment, then, rather than leave misinformation standing. Or delete it.
    - iancmceachern 4y ago
      I can no longer edit it. I would have edited it to say 1500 animals, striking "monkeys".
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    As someone that works with devices, you should know that 1500 monkeys is a wildly absurd claim. As someone who also works with devices, I would be extremely skeptical and wouldn't even believe 1500 monkeys if the article did state it, unless proof was included.

memish 4y ago

ckemere 4y ago
Just to be clear - this hot take is completely wrong. The Animal Welfare Act has rules that proscribe that certain kinds of complaints around animal research in mammals other than rats and mice have to be investigated by the USDA. Animal rights groups are very active in trying to infiltrate research organizations in order to "discover" problems, and disgruntled employees also have these complaints as a lever. To be clear - (1) animal researchers are not perfect people and make mistakes and need regulating, (2) I could never work for someone like Elon Musk - he vastly overstates the potential of current technology but also because he may have other ethical issues, (3) the feds may sometimes go after people because of vendettas including Musk. BUT, in this case, for someone who watches the space of "animal welfare problems", the Reuters piece seems very suspiciously like of a hit piece from PETA or another animal rights group (or them amplifying an internal Neuralink dispute).
- memish 4y ago
  That's a good insight. I upvoted you. You may be right, I may be wrong and the timing was merely coincidental.
- pigtailgirl 4y ago
  -- other than rats & mice? - you can go willy nilly with rats & mice? - if so - sad - rats are incredibly intelligent - loving - mice too --