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regulated does not mean criminalised. imagine if cocaine was as freely available as pornography. Is that the type of world you'd like to live in, to raise your

regulated does not mean criminalised. imagine if cocaine was as freely available as pornography. Is that the type of world you'd like to live in, to raise your kids in? and for the record, I think cocaine can be wonderful.

brookst 4y ago
And what if two (or one, or seven) people film porn and put it online for free, presumably disregarding your regulation. You’re not going to jail them? How about for a fifth offense? A six-hundredth offense? You can’t propose regulation without enforcement.
- IncRnd 4y ago
  You're confusing felonies, misdemeanors, and non-criminal infractions.
  - brookst 4y ago
    Which of those can you do hundreds of times without going to jail? Or, to change the angle, tell me about your proposed porn regulations and what happens to people who just cheerfully go on filming themselves fucking and ignore the regulations? Regulating porn is regulating sex. It’s been tried. Heck, look at Indonesia today. It’s adorably naive. It is much less practical than regulating drugs because literally every person on earth who has genitals and a cell phone can be a supplier.
    - IncRnd 4y ago
      > Which of those can you do hundreds of times without going to jail? Take a look at https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-law-basics/infractions.html https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-law-basics/infract.... > Or, to change the angle, tell me about your proposed porn regulations and what happens to people who just cheerfully go on filming themselves fucking and ignore the regulations? I haven't proposed any porn regulations whatsover... You seem to be confusing me with someone else.
      - brookst 4y ago
        > I haven't proposed any porn regulations whatsover... You seem to be confusing me with someone else. Well, that's embarrassing and I apologize. > Take a look at Yes, to the extent being cited for an single infraction will stop horny people from filming themselves having sex and sharing the video, that is very relevant. However, most (all?) jurisdictions treat repeated infractions as misdemeanors. When it comes to the hypothetical of "regulating" porn, there are two possible outcomes: 1) porn producers who ignore infractions and any resulting fine are not prosecuted, and the regulation is meaningless, or 2) punishments for repeatedly ignoring the regulation are severe enough to deter repeat offense. I just don't see how you get (2) without jail. Therefore, I stand by the assertion that any regulation of porn that is going to be effective is going to have to be prepared to jail people.
fleddr 4y ago
"imagine if cocaine was as freely available as pornography" Well, it is. Place your order on whatsapp or telegram, and it's delivered to your door by envelope. You should really get with the times.
- prirun 4y ago
  Imagine if alcohol, which regularly destroys lives, was freely available. Oh wait...
  - 4gotunameagain 4y ago
    Cocaine and alcohol both have societal measures in place to prevent abuse (mostly shame based, excluding hollywood and the "adult industry"). Remove those and what do we have ? Overindulgence, dissolution, and complete shift towards hedonism and away from eudaimonia. Those two should be balanced.
rascul 4y ago
When I was under 18 it was easier for me to buy cocaine than it was pornography.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > When I was under 18 it was easier for me to buy cocaine than it was pornography. Why would anyone under 18 buy pornography?
  - HelloNurse 4y ago
    Talking about physical media like magazines, borrowing might not be an option and buying might be easier and safer than stealing. When I was under 18, more porn magazines were found and salvaged than bought at a newsstand. Quality over quantity.
4ggr0 4y ago
You might want to read up on how Portugal handles drugs, you'll be surprised.
nunez 4y ago
honestly yes because (a) getting the coke won't be as insanely dangerous as it now since there wouldn't be a need for an unregulated dark market, (b) there would be more regulation around it, increasing safety, and (c) there would be more support for recovery that don't involve incarceration and the recidivism that comes with that.

brookst 4y ago

And what if two (or one, or seven) people film porn and put it online for free, presumably disregarding your regulation. You’re not going to jail them? How about for a fifth offense? A six-hundredth offense? You can’t propose regulation without enforcement.

IncRnd 4y ago
You're confusing felonies, misdemeanors, and non-criminal infractions.
- brookst 4y ago
  Which of those can you do hundreds of times without going to jail? Or, to change the angle, tell me about your proposed porn regulations and what happens to people who just cheerfully go on filming themselves fucking and ignore the regulations? Regulating porn is regulating sex. It’s been tried. Heck, look at Indonesia today. It’s adorably naive. It is much less practical than regulating drugs because literally every person on earth who has genitals and a cell phone can be a supplier.
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    > Which of those can you do hundreds of times without going to jail? Take a look at https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-law-basics/infractions.html https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-law-basics/infract.... > Or, to change the angle, tell me about your proposed porn regulations and what happens to people who just cheerfully go on filming themselves fucking and ignore the regulations? I haven't proposed any porn regulations whatsover... You seem to be confusing me with someone else.
    - brookst 4y ago
      > I haven't proposed any porn regulations whatsover... You seem to be confusing me with someone else. Well, that's embarrassing and I apologize. > Take a look at Yes, to the extent being cited for an single infraction will stop horny people from filming themselves having sex and sharing the video, that is very relevant. However, most (all?) jurisdictions treat repeated infractions as misdemeanors. When it comes to the hypothetical of "regulating" porn, there are two possible outcomes: 1) porn producers who ignore infractions and any resulting fine are not prosecuted, and the regulation is meaningless, or 2) punishments for repeatedly ignoring the regulation are severe enough to deter repeat offense. I just don't see how you get (2) without jail. Therefore, I stand by the assertion that any regulation of porn that is going to be effective is going to have to be prepared to jail people.

fleddr 4y ago

"imagine if cocaine was as freely available as pornography" Well, it is. Place your order on whatsapp or telegram, and it's delivered to your door by envelope. You should really get with the times.

prirun 4y ago
Imagine if alcohol, which regularly destroys lives, was freely available. Oh wait...
- 4gotunameagain 4y ago
  Cocaine and alcohol both have societal measures in place to prevent abuse (mostly shame based, excluding hollywood and the "adult industry"). Remove those and what do we have ? Overindulgence, dissolution, and complete shift towards hedonism and away from eudaimonia. Those two should be balanced.

rascul 4y ago

When I was under 18 it was easier for me to buy cocaine than it was pornography.

tablespoon 4y ago
> When I was under 18 it was easier for me to buy cocaine than it was pornography. Why would anyone under 18 buy pornography?
- HelloNurse 4y ago
  Talking about physical media like magazines, borrowing might not be an option and buying might be easier and safer than stealing. When I was under 18, more porn magazines were found and salvaged than bought at a newsstand. Quality over quantity.

4ggr0 4y ago

You might want to read up on how Portugal handles drugs, you'll be surprised.

nunez 4y ago

honestly yes because (a) getting the coke won't be as insanely dangerous as it now since there wouldn't be a need for an unregulated dark market, (b) there would be more regulation around it, increasing safety, and (c) there would be more support for recovery that don't involve incarceration and the recidivism that comes with that.