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Life is very basic at its core. The purpose of all life is survival. Offspring is paramount for survival.

fsflover 4y ago
When there are too many people on Earth to support a sustainable live for humanity, not having kids is the paramount for survival. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33879397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33879397
- frumper 4y ago
  It's my job to teach my kids well enough to get them into a position to survive. The Earth is huge.
  - fsflover 4y ago
    I was talking about the survival of humanity.
    - frumper 4y ago
      I know, I am talking about the portion of humanity I can help survive.
      - fsflover 4y ago
        By adding another portion, you decrease the chances for the whole.
        frumper 4y ago
        I'm sorry you feel that way. If everyone stops having kids the chances for the whole is 0%.
        fsflover 4y ago
        It won't happen anytime soon, so you don't have to worry. I am not arguing that everyone should stop having kids. This comment will not be read by everyone. Also, it's not just my feeling, it's proven by research: https://www.kimnicholas.com/uploads/2/5/7/6/25766487/fig1full.jpg https://www.kimnicholas.com/uploads/2/5/7/6/25766487/fig1ful....
        frumper 4y ago
        I wasn't worried. Research assumes a lot of things, like how the future will go. Humanity tends to do things to affect the course of the future. It may be that we use less, run out of stuff, or find alternatives. We have wars, famines, acts of god, or even plain old cultural shifts. Not having kids because you're worried about something like climate change that won't happen anytime soon feels kind of silly. The humans in the future will either adapt and survive, or not. Nothing I do will change the fact that life will change and they'll need to adapt in various ways.
        fsflover 4y ago
        > Research assumes a lot of things, like how the future will go. The current expectations are based on many decades of data, when humanity did nothing to stop the climate change. Even starting to act right now will not have quick consequences, and even this is not really happening. Act of God could indeed change that, but I would not rely on it for my plans. > climate change that won't happen anytime soon For you it won't, but for your kids it will happen soon enough and may be devastating. Many other kids are already born and lack parental care. What forces you to care for your own kids only? Instincts? From the logic, all genes are already present in sufficient quantities, so it's not necessary to preserve your own ones. > Nothing I do will change the fact that life will change and they'll need to adapt in various ways. Do you believe that you actions do not affect the future? Sounds a bit like learned helplessness.
        frumper 4y ago
        Humanity isn't measured with decades of data. Should I not have kids?

When there are too many people on Earth to support a sustainable live for humanity, not having kids is the paramount for survival. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33879397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33879397

frumper 4y ago
It's my job to teach my kids well enough to get them into a position to survive. The Earth is huge.
- fsflover 4y ago
  I was talking about the survival of humanity.
  - frumper 4y ago
    I know, I am talking about the portion of humanity I can help survive.
    - fsflover 4y ago
      By adding another portion, you decrease the chances for the whole.
      - frumper 4y ago
        I'm sorry you feel that way. If everyone stops having kids the chances for the whole is 0%.
        fsflover 4y ago
        It won't happen anytime soon, so you don't have to worry. I am not arguing that everyone should stop having kids. This comment will not be read by everyone. Also, it's not just my feeling, it's proven by research: https://www.kimnicholas.com/uploads/2/5/7/6/25766487/fig1full.jpg https://www.kimnicholas.com/uploads/2/5/7/6/25766487/fig1ful....
        frumper 4y ago
        I wasn't worried. Research assumes a lot of things, like how the future will go. Humanity tends to do things to affect the course of the future. It may be that we use less, run out of stuff, or find alternatives. We have wars, famines, acts of god, or even plain old cultural shifts. Not having kids because you're worried about something like climate change that won't happen anytime soon feels kind of silly. The humans in the future will either adapt and survive, or not. Nothing I do will change the fact that life will change and they'll need to adapt in various ways.
        fsflover 4y ago
        > Research assumes a lot of things, like how the future will go. The current expectations are based on many decades of data, when humanity did nothing to stop the climate change. Even starting to act right now will not have quick consequences, and even this is not really happening. Act of God could indeed change that, but I would not rely on it for my plans. > climate change that won't happen anytime soon For you it won't, but for your kids it will happen soon enough and may be devastating. Many other kids are already born and lack parental care. What forces you to care for your own kids only? Instincts? From the logic, all genes are already present in sufficient quantities, so it's not necessary to preserve your own ones. > Nothing I do will change the fact that life will change and they'll need to adapt in various ways. Do you believe that you actions do not affect the future? Sounds a bit like learned helplessness.
        frumper 4y ago
        Humanity isn't measured with decades of data. Should I not have kids?