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This is the same pope of climate change who wanted to build concrete tunnels underneath cities to transmit a single brand of car and wants to build gigantic roc

by bmitc 4y ago

This is the same pope of climate change who wanted to build concrete tunnels underneath cities to transmit a single brand of car and wants to build gigantic rockets to go to Mars in a billionaire pissing contest? The likelihood of EVs and Tesla in particular impacting climate change is minuscule and much overhyped and oversold.

belltaco 4y ago
How are those things sociopathic?
- bmitc 4y ago
  I was responding to the idea that he is supposedly a savior for climate change. Regarding sociopathy, I’m not a psychologist, but he seems clearly a narcissist. He almost feels too sensitive and needy to be a sociopath, but who knows.
mensetmanusman 4y ago
Tesla ignited this EV moment. If humanity using EVs will have a minuscule impact on climate change, then you are correct.
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- bmitc 4y ago
  > Tesla ignited this EV moment. While fairly true, it isn't really relevant to climate change. If anything, the EV movement has reignited the love of the car, which is harmful to curbing climate change. Building one mile of a one lane road emits 400 times the emissions of building an EV, and building EVs actually emits more emissions than an ICE car. EVs only cross over to be more emissions friendly about 6-24 months into driving ownership, ignoring battery disposal and recycling. EVs are the most overblown response to climate change that will ultimately do nothing. Rockets are absolutely terrible for climate change. They dump huge amounts of pollutants directly into the atmosphere, including the upper atmosphere. https://transdef.org/media/Sightline-GHG-analysis.pdf https://transdef.org/media/Sightline-GHG-analysis.pdf https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220713-how-to-make-rocket-launches-less-polluting https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220713-how-to-make-rock... The fact that people see Musk as actually caring about climate change is disheartening. In fact, it may even be the case that Musk and his companies are a net negative in terms of mitigating climate change.
  - mensetmanusman 4y ago
    It sounds like you are arguing that EVs make people want to drive, which is worse than if they would just use public transportation or something? Rockets have a negligible impact on climate change relative to ICE vehicles.

by bmitc 4y ago

belltaco 4y ago

How are those things sociopathic?

bmitc 4y ago
I was responding to the idea that he is supposedly a savior for climate change. Regarding sociopathy, I’m not a psychologist, but he seems clearly a narcissist. He almost feels too sensitive and needy to be a sociopath, but who knows.

mensetmanusman 4y ago

Tesla ignited this EV moment. If humanity using EVs will have a minuscule impact on climate change, then you are correct.

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bmitc 4y ago
> Tesla ignited this EV moment. While fairly true, it isn't really relevant to climate change. If anything, the EV movement has reignited the love of the car, which is harmful to curbing climate change. Building one mile of a one lane road emits 400 times the emissions of building an EV, and building EVs actually emits more emissions than an ICE car. EVs only cross over to be more emissions friendly about 6-24 months into driving ownership, ignoring battery disposal and recycling. EVs are the most overblown response to climate change that will ultimately do nothing. Rockets are absolutely terrible for climate change. They dump huge amounts of pollutants directly into the atmosphere, including the upper atmosphere. https://transdef.org/media/Sightline-GHG-analysis.pdf https://transdef.org/media/Sightline-GHG-analysis.pdf https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220713-how-to-make-rocket-launches-less-polluting https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220713-how-to-make-rock... The fact that people see Musk as actually caring about climate change is disheartening. In fact, it may even be the case that Musk and his companies are a net negative in terms of mitigating climate change.
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  It sounds like you are arguing that EVs make people want to drive, which is worse than if they would just use public transportation or something? Rockets have a negligible impact on climate change relative to ICE vehicles.