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"""Then how do you explain the fact that after GoDaddy change their stance to oppose SOPA, people were still going on with the "who cares, lets get others to co

"""Then how do you explain the fact that after GoDaddy change their stance to oppose SOPA, people were still going on with the "who cares, lets get others to continue dropping them" (paraphrasing). Believe it or not, that attitude is still going on.""" Not only I believe, I also approve it. GoDaddy's hypocritical turn-around means nothing, it's just damage control. The idea is not to "bully them into behavin'", it's to not support a company that doesn't respect our internet rights, period. They should not have supported SOPA in the first place --especially given that they are a tech company.

steventruong 15y ago
We'll have to agree to disagree here to an extent. As I've said, there comes a point when all you're doing now is trying to hurt them. Whether you realize it or not, or whether you can acknowledge it or not, that's blatant bullying. I whole-heartedly agree with the premise of not supporting GoDaddy on the premise you're arguing about. Like I said earlier, I'm moving my business elsewhere either way regardless of the fact that they've let up. But now that they've let up, blatantly rallying against them even more to damage their company or going out of your way to continue getting other companies to continue moving off of them when the original goal was to focus on SOPA itself (of which seemed accomplish as far as GoDaddy is concerned) is just personal vendetta. As I said in my original post above, remember what you're fighting for. Continuing to destroy GoDaddy isn't going to help push the fight against SOPA any more or less at this point. Now you're just fighting in anger, in personal moral beliefs, etc. I perfectly understand where you're coming from, believe me. Hopefully you see what I'm trying to say as well.
- kls 15y ago
  In the larger picture, other future companies will reflect on GoDaddy actions, if the pressure was pulled off now the lesson would be, hey you can support some pretty crappy anti-consumer stuff and then just say hey I am sorry. Now in GoDaddy's case it's not like they are just passer-by supporters of this bill, they are culpable in the very creation of it and to assume that they have now seen the light due to financial punishment, would be to say the least giving them a lot of credit. Far worse it would change the very lesson of the historical context of what is now playing out. You see GoDaddy stepped across the line into politics and corruption and paid to play, when one starts dealing with politics it is no longer a business transaction, they are bartering in peoples rights. Doing so can lead to war, which what GoDaddy is dealing with is very akin to, and rightfully so, a business deal is one thing, but when you get on the wrong side of peoples rights, you should expect that those people are going to go to war. They have every right to do so, because a piece of their freedom is at stake. It's not about "I'm sorry's" at that point, the stakes are much higher, an example must be set so that future actors learn that rights are not tools for barter. If GoDaddy does not like that they have fired the first shot, then they should have kept to domains and steered clear of brokering peoples rights for profit. GoDaddy stepped out of the lines of business and tried to mandate consumers actions via legislation, no one should expect that they be treated like a business when they did so, they no loner are because they are not acting like one, a better definition for them would be the enemy. In saying that, I do want to thank you, mob rule and justice must be checked, we must have decent, so that people stop to think about their actions, in my opinion, they are justified in this case, but we should always take time to reflect. For me personally, I wrote GoDaddy an email asking how they plan to financially oppose the legislation now that they are sorry. If I am satisfied with the answer I will remain, because I think it will make for even greater historical context, if they have to financially fight the very legislation that they helped craft. That lesson will resound as an example, for a very long time and as far as my ethics are concerned it is a narrative that I can support as a cautionary tale to future business leaders.
  - steventruong 15y ago
    Agreed and great idea. I would love to know the answer if they bother to respond and hopefully it's not some generic response from just any employee.
  - kls 15y ago
    I hate replying to my own post, but it's too late to edit my original post, so here is the response I received from them: Fighting online piracy is of the utmost importance, which is why Go Daddy has been working to help craft revisions to this legislation - but we can clearly do better," Warren Adelman, Go Daddy's newly appointed CEO, said. "It's very important that all Internet stakeholders work together on this. Getting it right is worth the wait. Go Daddy will support it when and if the Internet community supports it. I am now in the process of transferring out my domains, the fact that they are revising the legislation and not opposing any regulations signals to me that they have indeed not learned there lesson and are making PR maneuvers to do damage control. The fact that they would even entertain working further with a regulation framework is indicative of their mentality on the matter. Unfortunately they are probably too far invested to change direction and become a champion for their customers, as such I am left with little choice.
    - steventruong 15y ago
      I was reading somewhere earlier today those exact same words as a statement publicly made so if you got that in an email, its copy/paste BS.
paulhauggis 15y ago
What a childish attitude. If I were Godaddy, I would continue to push legislation through if only to spite people like you. Do you see where angry mob tactics get us?
- dextorious 15y ago
  """What a childish attitude. If I were Godaddy, I would continue to push legislation through if only to spite people like you.""" If you would "continue to push such legislation" to "spite" those people (i.e your customers) -- then: a) you know nothing about business. b) you are even more childish than those protesting. oh, and: c) you'd get bankrupt because of people moving their domains elsewhere (especially geeks and alpha-geeks suggesting it to others).

steventruong 15y ago

We'll have to agree to disagree here to an extent. As I've said, there comes a point when all you're doing now is trying to hurt them. Whether you realize it or not, or whether you can acknowledge it or not, that's blatant bullying. I whole-heartedly agree with the premise of not supporting GoDaddy on the premise you're arguing about. Like I said earlier, I'm moving my business elsewhere either way regardless of the fact that they've let up. But now that they've let up, blatantly rallying against them even more to damage their company or going out of your way to continue getting other companies to continue moving off of them when the original goal was to focus on SOPA itself (of which seemed accomplish as far as GoDaddy is concerned) is just personal vendetta. As I said in my original post above, remember what you're fighting for. Continuing to destroy GoDaddy isn't going to help push the fight against SOPA any more or less at this point. Now you're just fighting in anger, in personal moral beliefs, etc. I perfectly understand where you're coming from, believe me. Hopefully you see what I'm trying to say as well.

kls 15y ago
In the larger picture, other future companies will reflect on GoDaddy actions, if the pressure was pulled off now the lesson would be, hey you can support some pretty crappy anti-consumer stuff and then just say hey I am sorry. Now in GoDaddy's case it's not like they are just passer-by supporters of this bill, they are culpable in the very creation of it and to assume that they have now seen the light due to financial punishment, would be to say the least giving them a lot of credit. Far worse it would change the very lesson of the historical context of what is now playing out. You see GoDaddy stepped across the line into politics and corruption and paid to play, when one starts dealing with politics it is no longer a business transaction, they are bartering in peoples rights. Doing so can lead to war, which what GoDaddy is dealing with is very akin to, and rightfully so, a business deal is one thing, but when you get on the wrong side of peoples rights, you should expect that those people are going to go to war. They have every right to do so, because a piece of their freedom is at stake. It's not about "I'm sorry's" at that point, the stakes are much higher, an example must be set so that future actors learn that rights are not tools for barter. If GoDaddy does not like that they have fired the first shot, then they should have kept to domains and steered clear of brokering peoples rights for profit. GoDaddy stepped out of the lines of business and tried to mandate consumers actions via legislation, no one should expect that they be treated like a business when they did so, they no loner are because they are not acting like one, a better definition for them would be the enemy. In saying that, I do want to thank you, mob rule and justice must be checked, we must have decent, so that people stop to think about their actions, in my opinion, they are justified in this case, but we should always take time to reflect. For me personally, I wrote GoDaddy an email asking how they plan to financially oppose the legislation now that they are sorry. If I am satisfied with the answer I will remain, because I think it will make for even greater historical context, if they have to financially fight the very legislation that they helped craft. That lesson will resound as an example, for a very long time and as far as my ethics are concerned it is a narrative that I can support as a cautionary tale to future business leaders.
- steventruong 15y ago
  Agreed and great idea. I would love to know the answer if they bother to respond and hopefully it's not some generic response from just any employee.
- kls 15y ago
  I hate replying to my own post, but it's too late to edit my original post, so here is the response I received from them: Fighting online piracy is of the utmost importance, which is why Go Daddy has been working to help craft revisions to this legislation - but we can clearly do better," Warren Adelman, Go Daddy's newly appointed CEO, said. "It's very important that all Internet stakeholders work together on this. Getting it right is worth the wait. Go Daddy will support it when and if the Internet community supports it. I am now in the process of transferring out my domains, the fact that they are revising the legislation and not opposing any regulations signals to me that they have indeed not learned there lesson and are making PR maneuvers to do damage control. The fact that they would even entertain working further with a regulation framework is indicative of their mentality on the matter. Unfortunately they are probably too far invested to change direction and become a champion for their customers, as such I am left with little choice.
  - steventruong 15y ago
    I was reading somewhere earlier today those exact same words as a statement publicly made so if you got that in an email, its copy/paste BS.

paulhauggis 15y ago

What a childish attitude. If I were Godaddy, I would continue to push legislation through if only to spite people like you. Do you see where angry mob tactics get us?

dextorious 15y ago
"""What a childish attitude. If I were Godaddy, I would continue to push legislation through if only to spite people like you.""" If you would "continue to push such legislation" to "spite" those people (i.e your customers) -- then: a) you know nothing about business. b) you are even more childish than those protesting. oh, and: c) you'd get bankrupt because of people moving their domains elsewhere (especially geeks and alpha-geeks suggesting it to others).